Wash your face[book]

[troche]

With that being said, in the spirit of full disclosure, we expect to see the picture by the end of the week Very Happy

Now this is front page news!!!!


Someone should start a count down timer....


Tim Roche

[LaxRef]

I am not sure about the pledge deal. I am simply under the impression that everything in the past is in play. This goes for other violations other than drinking/drugs as well.

Schools can get away with a lot of things that would not fly in other parts of society. Searching backpacks/pockets, searching lockers, looking through cars.....in this sense schools have a very wide jurisdiction.

I guess I have a hard time seeing how a school can punish you for things you did away from school that have no direct affect on the school except as regards extracurricular activities (rule to be a privilege by the courts) where students have agreed to be held to a higher standard.

Also, in the paper in the article, it said some kids were punished because there was a picture of them holding a red cup with no indication of what was in the cup. That seems like overreaching.

[Gooseguy10]

Schools seem to have a wider jurisdiction here, especially with athletes b.c sports are a publicly funded (most of them) add on in the education world. Meaning, non-essential to school operation.

As a teacher I think there is a wider story here than just some lacrosse players drinking. Why is the school made out to be the bad guys here? We have parents threatening lawsuits, walk outs, media attention, debates about the legal rights of the school..... What about the kids that were breaking the law? And to top it off, stupid enough to put in on a public forum?

Like many things in our CURRENT blameless society, there is very little accountability for the students involved. This of course is backed up by the parents fighting to find loopholes so there kid doesn't have to sit out two weeks of lacrosse. Where are the stories about them?

Maybe I am missing these stories up here on the Iron Range but to me the story is about how wrong the school is for their reaction to this incident.

To me this says something about our attitudes regarding schools, over importance of sports and complete lack of common sense in parenting. These attitudes are major trends (and problems) in education.

[LaxRef]

Why is the school made out to be the bad guys here? We have parents threatening lawsuits, walk outs, media attention, debates about the legal rights of the school..... What about the kids that were breaking the law? And to top it off, stupid enough to put in on a public forum?

I agree with you completely. Too many parents want to protect their kids from anything that the kids don't like without any thought to what's really best for the kids and their development. It's probably related to the whole "boost your kids' self esteem. . .everyone's a winner!" mentality that's screwing up much of our country.

When I was at my parents' house over the holidays, I read about how police busted an underage drinking party with 40 kids drinking. Instead of telling their kids, "Yeah, why don't you spend the night in jail and we'll talk about it in the morning," the parents rushed to their kids' defense. Some of the parents are suing the police department, stating that their kids' civil rights were violated because the police were gruff while they were arresting them and some of them yelled!

Maybe they should sue for $3 quadrillion.

[LaxTV_Admin]

Like many things in our CURRENT blameless society, there is very little accountability for the students involved. This of course is backed up by the parents fighting to find loopholes so there kid doesn't have to sit out two weeks of lacrosse. Where are the stories about them?

If the parents don't have the courage to step up and show their kids values and how to be a member of society than the coach should. The parents failure is exacerbated by the coach playing them because they are their star.

If it was my team, and one of my kids pulled a stunt like this, they would sit their tukus on the bench for quite some time and learn real fast how the world works. Though I agree with you, parents are not the only ones who can make a difference in these kids lives.

I think back to the hilarious interaction in the movie "The Rock"

Nicolas Cage: "...I swear honey anyone thinking about bringing a child into this world is considering an act of cruelty..."
Vanessa Marcil: "I'm pregnant"
Nicolas Cage: "Your pregnant..."
Vanessa Marcil: "You didn't mean what you just said did you?..."
Nicolas Cage: "I meant it at the time."
Vanesssa Marcil: "Stanely, it was 7 seconds ago."
Nicolas Cage: "Well gosh, a lot has changed since then...."

Ah, parenthood.

[Gooseguy10]

Both in school and in sports parents are, by far, way worse to deal with than the kids. Kids seem to know where they stand until dillusional parents step in.

[Pinball]

This of course is backed up by the parents fighting to find loopholes so there kid doesn't have to sit out two weeks of lacrosse.

the kids should join indoor track, but have their suspension filled there so they can play their #1 sport of lax, or some other sport. Loopholes loopholes loopholes!!

[Jay Zabel]

I don't get too worked up about a lot of things (Gooseguy can attest), but this is one of the most idiotic arguments from the parents and students I have ever seen. Suing the school? I would be embarrassed if I was a parent or student from EP..suing the school? I thought it was crazy that students were allowed to bring cell phones into the classroom, but now suing the school for invading their privacy. Amazing...purely amazing.

[Dulax31]

"innocent until proven guilty"

Definitely not the case in the high school education systems.

That always made me upset in high school, ya the kids are guilty most of the time in these cases, but what about the times when they are truely innocent. I feel everyone should be innocent, UNTIL proven guilty.

[Chris Larson]

"innocent until proven guilty"

Definitely not the case in the high school education systems.

That always made me upset in high school, ya the kids are guilty most of the time in these cases, but what about the times when they are truely innocent. I feel everyone should be innocent, UNTIL proven guilty.

This is an example of a city ordinaince (not from EP though I suspect they have a similar one)

Section 13.74. POSSESSION OF 3.2 PERCENT MALT LIQUOR, WINE, OR INTOXICATING LIQUOR BY MINORS.

It shall be unlawful for any minor, as defined in Section 13.01 of this Code, to have in the minor's possession any intoxicating liquor, wine, or 3.2 percent malt liquor with the intent to consume the same at any place other than the household of the minor's parents or guardian. Possession of such 3.2 percent malt liquor, wine, or intoxicating liquor at a place other than the household of the minor's parent or guardian shall be prima facie evidence of intent to consume the same at a place other than the household of the minor's parent or guardian. The presence of a minor in an automobile, room, or in a group in which intoxicating liquor, wine, or 3.2 percent malt liquor is contained and is being consumed or has been consumed or is intended to be consumed by minors is prima facie evidence that such intoxicating liquor, wine, or 3.2 percent malt beverage is in the possession of such minor or all of such minors present at such time, providing the parent or guardian of such minor is not present.

(Recodified by Ord. No. 90-27, 6-25-90; Ord. No. 92-5, 2-10-92)

The key part of that is "intended to be consumed by a minor". The alcohol served at the Dome or a Wild game is not "intended to be consumed by minors", it's intended to be consumed by adults. Whereas a bunch of booze at a party with a bunch of underage kids is "intented to be consumed by minors".

So they are guilty just by being present.

[LaxRef]

"innocent until proven guilty"

Definitely not the case in the high school education systems.

That always made me upset in high school, ya the kids are guilty most of the time in these cases, but what about the times when they are truely innocent. I feel everyone should be innocent, UNTIL proven guilty.

Well, it's presumed innocent until proven guilty. You're either guilty or not, regardless of the result of a trial.

And doesn't that only apply to the court system. I mean, if your boss thinks you were drinking on the job, he can probably fire you even if he can't prove it (although I understand termination laws vary from state to state). Schools may not be that different in that respect, especially when it comes to the privilege (as defined by the courts) or extracurricular activities. What's that line they use about not only avoiding impropriety but avoiding even the appearance of impropriety?

Maybe if you want to participate in extracurricular sports you need to hold yourself to a higher standard. So, the kids photographed holding a beer? Don't be so stupid, and maybe you can play sports again.

However, I continue to say that suspending a kid for holding a red cup in a picture disturbs me. If there is no other indication of illegal activity in the photo, I don't see how you can do that. Of course, if the kid is holding a red cup and standing next to a keg, that might be a different story.

[Frank Clark]

To me the key issue is that these parents need to grow up themselves and start being parents. The kids messed up and need to learn a lesson.
My parents would have been embarresed by the situation and let me pay the price. I would have gotten it from the school and then my parents.

[Gooseguy10]

Amen Frank. I wish more parents had the atttidude you have.

As far as innoncent until proven guilty. Schools are not courts. Students have many rights and good schools respect those rights. Meaning, when inncidents happen, school staff do a very good job at finding the truth out from multiple sides. However, I do not feel that we have the burden of proof. Again, not court.

I heard something interesting on the radio up here today about the case. "It seems that today people worry so much about their rights that they don't worry about being responsible for themselves." I thought that about summed it up.