Bad News for Duke

[bste_lax]

as i understand it, you only have to sit out a year if you transfer in-conference.

I thought that if you transfer from a NCAA Division 1 school to another Division 1 school, you have to sit out one year. If you transfer from Division 1 to Division 2 or 3 you wouldn't have to sit out a year.

I might be wrong, but I believe that only applies for certain sports like 1-A football and basketball (and maybe hockey).

I know in majority of the smaller sports, coaches/schools can sign waivers allowing players to transfer without sitting out a year. Iowa wrestling lost a former Heavyweight Champion, Steve Mocco, this way to Oklahoma State a couple years ago. Iowa also just hired Tom Brands from Virignia Tech earlier this week and he is suppose to be bringing a lot of last year's #2 recruiting class with him.

I don't know if this is the same way as basketball/football as it is with smaller sports but I know for major sports, if someone transfers within the same conference, they have to sit out a year plus they have to pay their own way, no scholarship (I know the last part is true in the Big Ten).

[Sonny]

as i understand it, you only have to sit out a year if you transfer in-conference.

I thought that if you transfer from a NCAA Division 1 school to another Division 1 school, you have to sit out one year. If you transfer from Division 1 to Division 2 or 3 you wouldn't have to sit out a year.

I might be wrong, but I believe that only applies for certain sports like 1-A football and basketball (and maybe hockey).

I know in majority of the smaller sports, coaches/schools can sign waivers allowing players to transfer without sitting out a year. Iowa wrestling lost a former Heavyweight Champion, Steve Mocco, this way to Oklahoma State a couple years ago. Iowa also just hired Tom Brands from Virignia Tech earlier this week and he is suppose to be bringing a lot of last year's #2 recruiting class with him.

I don't know if this is the same way as basketball/football as it is with smaller sports but I know for major sports, if someone transfers within the same conference, they have to sit out a year plus they have to pay their own way, no scholarship (I know the last part is true in the Big Ten).

I think those are conference rules, not necessarily NCAA rules. In that scenario, it would be a Big 10 rule.

[bbandlax]

as i understand it, you only have to sit out a year if you transfer in-conference.

I thought that if you transfer from a NCAA Division 1 school to another Division 1 school, you have to sit out one year. If you transfer from Division 1 to Division 2 or 3 you wouldn't have to sit out a year.

I might be wrong, but I believe that only applies for certain sports like 1-A football and basketball (and maybe hockey).

here's a link to the 2005-06 NCAA transfer guide: http://www.ncaa.org/library/general/tra ... _guide.pdf

relevant provisions start on page 17 of the pdf file. there are lots of exceptions to the "sit out one year rule." one of the exceptions is if your school cancels your program.

I cannot give a website url to support but I know that even if there is a standard NCAA rule on transfers it only applies if you are not released by the school. Lacrosse has had a "gentlemans style" agreement for many years regarding transfers. You only have to sit out a year if the school does not release you from your so called contract. However the lacrosse coaches at the D1 level have basically had an inside agreement that they will not hold players from transferring. This was a big deal over the last year here in Charlottesville regarding Joe Yevoli. As you can see he is playing this year, and I could site 20 other examples over the last 5 years of big name players transferring and not sitting out for any length of time.

I have no doubts that most of the current Duke players (minus any who may or may not be serving jail time, no judgment made Lax Stats) will end up playing next year, for Duke, or at some other school.

[Sonny]

Alleged Rape Victim Had Past Brush With Law

POSTED: 4:59 pm EDT April 6, 2006
UPDATED: 10:54 pm EDT April 6, 2006

RALEIGH, N.C. -- Allegations made by a woman who told police that she was gang-raped by three Duke University men's lacrosse athletes have raised questions about the character, credibility and behavior of all those involved.

The severity of the allegations raises questions about each individual involved in the events that transpired on March 13 and March 14, including the alleged victim.

New information about the victim has been divulged, concerning charges arising from an incident that occurred several years ago. According to a 2002 police report, the woman, currently a 27-year-old student at North Carolina Central University, gave a taxi driver a lap dance at a Durham strip club. Subsequently, according to the report, she stole the man's car and led deputies on a high-speed chase that ended in Wake County.

Apparently, the deputy thought the chase was over when the woman turned down a dead-end road near Brier Creek, but instead she tried to run over him, according to the police report.

Additional information notes that her blood-alcohol level registered at more than twice the legal limit.

Full report on WRAL.com web site here:
http://www.wral.com/news/8513890/detail ... l&psp=news

[Sonny]

DNA Results In Duke Lacrosse Investigation Could Come Back Today
Attorney: Tempers Flared, But Exotic Dancer Wasn't Raped

POSTED: 7:16 pm EDT April 6, 2006
UPDATED: 11:35 am EDT April 7, 2006

DURHAM, N.C. -- A Duke lacrosse athlete's attorney said Thursday that tempers flared during a party where an exotic dancer claims she was gang-raped and beaten, but contends there is no definitive evidence that there was aggressive behavior in the house.

Attorney Joe Cheshire, who is representing one of the lacrosse captains, said members of the highly ranked lacrosse team hired two dancers for a party on March 13 and paid the women $800 for their services, but that they did not provide the services they promised.

"These two girls were paid a tremendous amount of money to dance for two hours," Cheshire said. "We can show, and will show if we have to, that they danced for only three minutes and decided to take all that money with them."

The alleged victim told police she became fearful that night when the players became aggressive, and that is why she left. She told investigators that the men convinced her and the other dancer to go back inside the house, and that was when she was assaulted.

Cheshire said the men at the party were frustrated and angry, and points to an e-mail message recovered from one player's computer that was contained in a search warrant released Wednesday.

The message, Cheshire felt, was written out of frustration for an evening that did not live up to expectations. The e-mail, he said, shows nothing more.

Full article on WRAL.com here:
http://www.wral.com/news/8516436/detail.html

[laxfan25]

Assuming most people have read the e-mail allegedly sent by the Duke lacrosse player, I think we need a poll;

1) He had a right to send it out, since the girl wouldn't put out at the other party.

2) Free speech, awkwardly timed and poorly written.

3) Vile and repulsive, and the player deserves to be suspended.

4) Witch hunt material - there is no proof he actually wrote it.

[Zeuslax]

The feel and tone to the email seem to fall in the #2 category. Along with the awkwardly timed, and poorely written, I would add trying to be funny too.

Where is all this going with the prosecusion? Its seems to have really hit a wall. I tell you what...... I wish I had $10.00 for every time someone this week has intiated this Duke topic with me. I thought that it was interesting that most have quickly compared this to something that a football team would do.

[yourmom]

The feel and tone to the email seem to fall in the #2 category. Along with the awkwardly timed, and poorely written, I would add trying to be funny too.

Where is all this going with the prosecusion? Its seems to have really hit a wall. I tell you what...... I wish I had $10.00 for every time someone this week has intiated this Duke topic with me. I thought that it was interesting that most have quickly compared this to something that a football team would do.

I agree with the hit the wall thing. I guess they are waiting on the DNA results? I still can't condemn them though, too much of it seems fishy, as far as the 911 call etc. I think there was some sort of foul play, but to what extent may be the real question. Also don't strippers usually come with a male escort to keep everyone inline? (e.g. the movie "MADE" with john favrau)

And during the beining of this whole thing up untill two days ago I didn't get asked much about it, but now in the past couple of days its been brought up over and over again.

[ZagGrad]

Also don't strippers usually come with a male escort to keep everyone inline? (e.g. the movie "MADE" with john favrau)

From the instances I've experienced, they usually do come with some tool who says he has a gun and is prepared to use it. Every time, I think to myself, "Yeah right buddy, start waving a gun around 20 dudes and see what happens. Way to think that one out."

For what it's worth, I know one of the Duke players and have met his folks. If the rest of the players are like this kid, they are extremely innocent. I'm on the "good guys" side of this whole thing. I think there are a couple guys who really messed up though...2 sides to every story...

[Lax_Stats]

DNA Results In Duke Lacrosse Investigation Could Come Back Today
Attorney: Tempers Flared, But Exotic Dancer Wasn't Raped

POSTED: 7:16 pm EDT April 6, 2006
UPDATED: 11:35 am EDT April 7, 2006

DURHAM, N.C. -- A Duke lacrosse athlete's attorney said Thursday that tempers flared during a party where an exotic dancer claims she was gang-raped and beaten, but contends there is no definitive evidence that there was aggressive behavior in the house.

Attorney Joe Cheshire, who is representing one of the lacrosse captains, said members of the highly ranked lacrosse team hired two dancers for a party on March 13 and paid the women $800 for their services, but that they did not provide the services they promised.

"These two girls were paid a tremendous amount of money to dance for two hours," Cheshire said. "We can show, and will show if we have to, that they danced for only three minutes and decided to take all that money with them."

The alleged victim told police she became fearful that night when the players became aggressive, and that is why she left. She told investigators that the men convinced her and the other dancer to go back inside the house, and that was when she was assaulted.

Cheshire said the men at the party were frustrated and angry, and points to an e-mail message recovered from one player's computer that was contained in a search warrant released Wednesday.

The message, Cheshire felt, was written out of frustration for an evening that did not live up to expectations. The e-mail, he said, shows nothing more.

Full article on WRAL.com here:
http://www.wral.com/news/8516436/detail.html

This sounds to me like a case of the strippers getting paid $800 to dance for 2 hours, and then leaving after 3 minutes without giving the money back thereby trying to rip off these guys. The players probably then appealed to the strippers greed by promising them more money to come back inside and when they got back inside, the 3 guys probably told the strippers that they weren't going to give them anymore money and that they better give back the money they had already given them since the strippers were trying to rip them off. The strippers probably refused, holding onto the money like it was their last drug fix, and the guys probably forcibly took the money back. Now, everyone is pissed off! The guys are pissed off because they were all jazzed up for a strip show and they dancers tried to rip them off, the dancers are pissed off because they didn't get away with ripping these guys off AND the had the $800 they were paid forcibly taken back from them. Now tempers are flaring on both sides, the guys start making racial slurs which pisses off the strippers even more. The strippers now don't have their money and they are really pissed off by being called the "N" word. They decide these guys aren't going to get away with this and that they are going to make them pay! So they either concoct the rape story or may already have had the story worked out and ready to use just for situations like this. The call is placed to police, and we all know the rest.

[Tim Whitehead]

What a wonderful imagination you have.

[CyLaxKeeper00]

What a wonderful imagination you have.

sounds reasonable though.

[CyLaxKeeper00]

Niagara sanctions women's lacrosse team for hazing

LEWISTON, N.Y. -- Niagara women's lacrosse team will forfeit one game as part of a university-imposed punishment announced Friday after officials learned of the team holding a hazing party.

espn trying to take down the world of lacrosse.

[Lax_Stats]

Niagara sanctions women's lacrosse team for hazing

LEWISTON, N.Y. -- Niagara women's lacrosse team will forfeit one game as part of a university-imposed punishment announced Friday after officials learned of the team holding a hazing party.

espn trying to take down the world of lacrosse.

It's kinda hard to take down a sport you hardly give any coverage to in the first place!!! C'mon ESPN, let's see at least one nationally televised lacrosse game a week!! How hard is that anyway?!?!?!

[superdave]

That's horrible for Duke lacrosse.