3rd MDIA Div. A Poll (3/23/05). Thoughts, Predictions, etc.

[LaxGuru]

It's funny how they accuse Bentiss of being a CCLA homer, then look at the poll up top with the way to overhyped West Coast teams, "we should be 10-15 because we lost to all the top teams", guess what...you freakin lost! After all the mid teams knock each other off they try to justify that they all deserve to remain ranked.Get over your selves.

[Bentiss]

LaxGuru,

Thank you...thank you...thank you. I couldn't have said it better, and God knows I say a whole heck of a lot VERY WELL...

[CATLAX MAN]

It's funny how they accuse Bentiss of being a CCLA homer, then look at the poll up top with the way to overhyped West Coast teams, "we should be 10-15 because we lost to all the top teams", guess what...you freakin lost! After all the mid teams knock each other off they try to justify that they all deserve to remain ranked.Get over your selves.

Keep in mind that this is all opinion, so there is no right or wrong here. It's what people's perception is. However, apparently you're in the minority opinion about this.

[LaxGuru]

It's funny how they accuse Bentiss of being a CCLA homer, then look at the poll up top with the way to overhyped West Coast teams, "we should be 10-15 because we lost to all the top teams", guess what...you freakin lost! After all the mid teams knock each other off they try to justify that they all deserve to remain ranked.Get over your selves.

Keep in mind that this is all opinion, so there is no right or wrong here. It's what people's perception is. However, apparently you're in the minority opinion about this.

Less east coast posters than west, just because there is more west coast thaught processes doesn't make it right.

[Bentiss]

I agree CatLax Man...The last part of my prior post should be taken as sarcastic...Not that I don't make sense, but many OFTEN disagree with me.

[CATLAX MAN]

Less east coast posters than west, just because there is more west coast thaught processes doesn't make it right.

Actually, you're wrong about that. 10 of the 30 voters are from the WCLL & RMLC or had previous connections with those leagues. Ever consider that maybe you're the one who is out of step with most others?

[LaxGuru]

Posters, not pollsters. I believe alot of the pollsters don't research at all. Pure name recognition, guys can post and say they don't but look at the polls...seriously. They don't want to search for teams one at a time for ones that just may deserve to be in. They say we know the name Chico or Chapman or Simon Fraser, sure they may not be doing great but we'll just drop them a little, or figure ways to justify keeping them in rather than look for other teams, and killing any parody the league could develope. "we do the best we can" is what I hear alot. If this is really the best, then step down, admit your not capable of doing this the way a poll should be done. You lose, you freakin drop. Why can't you grasp this. Your 5-4, your on the edge of the poll, also depending on where you started during the pre-season depends if you should still be there at all at 5-4 regardless of who you played.
I also hear "well these don't matter untill the final poll" What do you think shapes that poll? You keep the same mid set on these, what will change with the last one. Why are pollsters picked by one person? Every head coach must vote, make it a requirement. It will eliminate all biases. No more hyping your team on message boards by head coaches...that's just bush league. You want your votes to be taken seriously these are a few things that have to be done. Sorry I ranted a little, if I offended you, sorry .

[Danny Hogan]

Every head coach must vote, make it a requirement. It will eliminate all biases. No more hyping your team on message boards by head coaches...that's just bush league.

not evey head coach in this league has the qualifications to be a voter, it would be a real mess if every single coach voted. Also i have seen very few, if any coaches hyping their team on the message boards. That is usually done by alumni, or current players on teams trying to crack the top 25

[CATLAX MAN]

Also i have seen very few, if any coaches hyping their team on the message boards. That is usually done by alumni, or current players on teams trying to crack the top 25

Amen. You've said a mouthful there, Danny.

[LaxGuru]

not evey head coach in this league has the qualifications to be a voter, it would be a real mess if every single coach voted. Also i have seen very few, if any coaches hyping their team on the message boards. That is usually done by alumni, or current players on teams trying to crack the top 25

Why are some Head Coaches not qualified? Do they see more games than bloggers just reviewing scores talking about how good their team was back when? When you scan forums looking for scores you'll see more posts by coaches than you think? The minimal few coaches who may not know about the rest of the teams in the league would easily be balanced out byt he scores of others who do, rather than the effect 4-5 West coast biased people could have on say ...30.

[AlumniLax]

i think lg has atleast doubled or maybe even tripled his post total over the past two days...

[onpoint]

Guru, you seem to be upset that your particular team or league is not getting enough of what you perceive to be credit in the poll. I am a voter and I can assure you that I in fact DO my research, and I'm pretty sure that everyone else does as well. Implying that we don't is an insult, and I do take it as such. Just because the polls don't represent your (obviously biased as well) rankings does not mean that everything else should be discounted. Your ranting is immature and hypocritical. You say that it is Bush League for head coaches to hype up their own teams, yet it is somehow okay to call out 30 of the most respected minds in the MDIA who put in three to five hours a week into their polls as uneducated?? I don't personally care if YOU like my votes or not or whether you respect them or not. The DI coaches poll currently has 1-3 Syracuse at #7, 2-3 Hofstra at #13 and 1-4 North Carolina at #20. Are those coaches uneducated and biased? Do you not have respect for them? Frankly, just because your team or league is not as well-represented as you would like is not a problem I care about anymore. I'm pretty sure everyone else is sick of your whining as well. Please don't IM me about this.

[Danny Hogan]

Why are some Head Coaches not qualified?.

because they don't know anything about the teams in their conference let alone teams in 3,000 miles away.

Do they see more games than bloggers just reviewing scores talking about how good their team was back when?

Not more than the bloggers that vote in the top 25 poll.

When you scan forums looking for scores you'll see more posts by coaches than you think? The minimal few coaches who may not know about the rest of the teams in the league would easily be balanced out byt he scores of others who do, rather than the effect 4-5 West coast biased people could have on say ...30.

in terms of the best teams, this is a west-coast (and rocky mountain) league. Until some other region proves that they are even close to either of those, the 'bias' is closer to the truth.

[Daniel Morris]

You say that it is Bush League for head coaches to hype up their own teams, yet it is somehow okay to call out 30 of the most respected minds in the MDIA who put in three to five hours a week into their polls as uneducated??

Three to five hours? I am at like 8-9 hours a week with so many comparable teams!

And LaxGuru, saying pollsters don't do the research is a total joke. Everyone involved in this is someone who takes the MDIA very seriously and has been a part of the organization for a long time. The polls are part of that. You are totally offbase by making such a blanket statement.

[LaxC21]

I'm going to change the argument a little, probably to something most of ya'll don't care about, but I find something a little off with the polls.

First off, I have to say that determining 10 - 25 is probably one of the hardest things to do. However, my argument has to do with the "Also receiving votes" category. In my opinion, this category is for teams that could possibly break into the top 25, but either a loss to an unranked opponent or a bad schedule has kept them out.

Also receiving votes (with point totals): Minnesota (43), Georgia (28), Texas Tech (23), Florida (18), San Diego State (13), Michigan State (12), Illinois (10), Indiana (9), Arizona State (9), Northeastern University (7), Vanderbilt (6), Southern Methodist (5), Oregon State (5), NC State (3), and Texas (1).

I do not see Texas A&M. Why not? Who have they played and lost too?
1. Colorado State
4. Brigham Young University
7. Colorado
9. Oakland University - there is no way that VTech should be ahead of them
12. Univ. of California, San Diego
16. Utah
21. New Hampshire
Texas Tech
St. John Fisher

Now...before everyone say's well look how bad they lost to some of these teams...I'm not arguing the A&M is deserving a top 25 spot, yet, but I am arguing that they should at least be considered one of the bubble teams who could sneak in there with a win.

Who have these teams beat and played? Georgia (28), Texas Tech (23), Florida (18), San Diego State (13), Michigan State (12), Illinois (10), Indiana (9), Arizona State (9), Northeastern University (7), Vanderbilt (6), Southern Methodist (5), Oregon State (5), NC State (3), and Texas (1).

Certainly, there isn't one on that list with a harder schedule than A&M. Also look at 17 - 25. Who have they played, won, lost too? When I look at it, A&M v. any of those teams, the game could be a toss up (i.e. - #21 New Hampshire).

Anyway, just a little food for thought. Oh…and while everyone is handing out higher rankings for losses or what everyone likes to call “close losses”…show A&M some love just because…it seems to work for other teams.