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Postby Woda on Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:59 pm

CATLAX MAN wrote:I just don't understand how UMD can be rated over Oregon & UCSB at this point. Oregon is undefeated and UCSB has beaten everyone except BYU. What has a 2 loss team like UMD done to rate them over these 2 teams?


I can see your arguement, but losing close to the teams you are suppose to shouldnt drop you in the polls.
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Re: needs correction

Postby Zamboni_Driver on Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:00 pm

sculaxcoach wrote:Zamboni

your Sonoma data needs a correction-

they beat # 19 Cal Poly and not # 15 Arizona


Got it and changed it! Thanks
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Postby Timbalaned on Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:01 pm

Woda wrote:
CATLAX MAN wrote:I just don't understand how UMD can be rated over Oregon & UCSB at this point. Oregon is undefeated and UCSB has beaten everyone except BYU. What has a 2 loss team like UMD done to rate them over these 2 teams?


I can see your arguement, but losing to the teams you are suppose to shouldnt drop you in the polls.


yeah but the point is the two teams they have beat would have been beaten by both SB and Oregon (in Catlaxman's eyes, I think is what he was saying) so really why should Duluth be there over SB and Oregon?
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Postby CATLAX MAN on Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:09 pm

Timbalaned wrote:
Woda wrote:
CATLAX MAN wrote:I just don't understand how UMD can be rated over Oregon & UCSB at this point. Oregon is undefeated and UCSB has beaten everyone except BYU. What has a 2 loss team like UMD done to rate them over these 2 teams?


I can see your arguement, but losing to the teams you are suppose to shouldnt drop you in the polls.


yeah but the point is the two teams they have beat would have been beaten by both SB and Oregon (in Catlaxman's eyes, I think is what he was saying) so really why should Duluth be there over SB and Oregon?


Not only that, but also a loss is a loss is a loss, close or not. Fact is that, all other things being relatively equal, the 2 loss team should be ranked below the undefeated team or the 1 loss team. The fact that they were competitive in those games that they should've lost means that you don't drop them that much. These teams were all relatively close before and are probably so now, but the loss thing still has to be taken into account.
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Postby Woda on Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:11 pm

CATLAX MAN wrote:Not only that, but also a loss is a loss is a loss, close or not. Fact is that, all other things being relatively equal, the 2 loss team should be ranked below the undefeated team or the 1 loss team. The fact that they were competitive in those games that they should've lost means that you don't drop them that much. These teams were all realtively close before and are probably so now, but the loss thing still has to be taken into account.


We'll have to agree to disagree on that. :P

Luckily there is more lacrosse to be played!
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Postby Ravaging Beast on Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:13 pm

CATLAX MAN wrote:
Timbalaned wrote:
Woda wrote:
CATLAX MAN wrote:I just don't understand how UMD can be rated over Oregon & UCSB at this point. Oregon is undefeated and UCSB has beaten everyone except BYU. What has a 2 loss team like UMD done to rate them over these 2 teams?


I can see your arguement, but losing to the teams you are suppose to shouldnt drop you in the polls.


yeah but the point is the two teams they have beat would have been beaten by both SB and Oregon (in Catlaxman's eyes, I think is what he was saying) so really why should Duluth be there over SB and Oregon?


Not only that, but also a loss is a loss is a loss, close or not. Fact is that, all other things being relatively equal, the 2 loss team should be ranked below the undefeated team or the 1 loss team. The fact that they were competitive in those games that they should've lost means that you don't drop them that much. These teams were all relatively close before and are probably so now, but the loss thing still has to be taken into account.

We seem to have all forgotten last year when we counted all of UMD's close losses as wins. I thought we all came to an understanding that we would count them that way again this year. Because their close loss to Oregon in Dallas can be counted as a win. They pretty much made it to the semi-finals.
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Postby buffalowill on Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:24 pm

Check out Bubble Watch over on the Championship forum...who gets in may be more important than where they stand in the polls!
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Postby CATLAX MAN on Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:28 pm

buffalowill wrote:Check out Bubble Watch over on the Championship forum...who gets in may be more important than where they stand in the polls!


Nice self plug there.... :lol:

Where a team is ranked directly affects their draw in the tournament, though. It's a little early to be worried about that, but that is usually what is in the back of people's minds on this topic.
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Postby Ballin' on Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:43 pm

I am gonna have to agree with RB. This whole "close loss" thing is getting ridiculous! UMD should not be ranked ahead of Oregon and SB because they had some close losses, as larry the cable guy would say "that makes about as much sense as wiping your butt before taking a crap"
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Postby buffalowill on Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:24 pm

Haha...thanks Catlax! Turning people on to the thoughts of Buffalowill...i am retarded
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Postby ineedmorecowbell on Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:42 pm

Ravaging Beast wrote:
CATLAX MAN wrote:
Timbalaned wrote:
Woda wrote:
CATLAX MAN wrote:I just don't understand how UMD can be rated over Oregon & UCSB at this point. Oregon is undefeated and UCSB has beaten everyone except BYU. What has a 2 loss team like UMD done to rate them over these 2 teams?


I can see your arguement, but losing to the teams you are suppose to shouldnt drop you in the polls.


yeah but the point is the two teams they have beat would have been beaten by both SB and Oregon (in Catlaxman's eyes, I think is what he was saying) so really why should Duluth be there over SB and Oregon?


Not only that, but also a loss is a loss is a loss, close or not. Fact is that, all other things being relatively equal, the 2 loss team should be ranked below the undefeated team or the 1 loss team. The fact that they were competitive in those games that they should've lost means that you don't drop them that much. These teams were all relatively close before and are probably so now, but the loss thing still has to be taken into account.

We seem to have all forgotten last year when we counted all of UMD's close losses as wins. I thought we all came to an understanding that we would count them that way again this year. Because their close loss to Oregon in Dallas can be counted as a win. They pretty much made it to the semi-finals.



amen brother. they are a good team, no doubt, but they have gotten into that top ranking by beating my team and cal poly in overtime my senior year and then losing to a bunch of good teams in close games since then.

i do not understand our league's ranking system sometimes. i am still bitter though about my senior year so maybe that factors in.
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Postby Dr. Jason Stockton on Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:11 am

ZD . . .a minor correction

Not as significant as their wins over Lindenwood and Texas A&M - but SFU knocked off a good Illinois team as well on the tail end of their triple-header this past weekend. . .
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Postby Zamboni_Driver on Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:54 am

Dr. Jason Stockton wrote:ZD . . .a minor correction

Not as significant as their wins over Lindenwood and Texas A&M - but SFU knocked off a good Illinois team as well on the tail end of their triple-header this past weekend. . .


So I've been having problems with the PNCLL team's schedules all year long. My schedule is a direct copy and paste of a version they released previously, and this game did not appear at that time. Glad to see that it occured and congrats to SF, but if I were a pollster I'd like to have a reliable schedule as early as Dec 1 so that I could do my research once. It has been changed above.
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Postby Troy Hood on Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:34 pm

To All:

We saw what SFU can do all weekend. They are very good and will be able to compete at a very high level.

Also, I believe Illinois needs consideration. They played a very tough game and had SFU on the ropes at half. We are very much looking forward to our game in April in Champaign.
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Postby Ravaging Beast on Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:46 pm

Troy Hood wrote:Also, I believe Illinois needs consideration. They played a very tough game and had SFU on the ropes at half. We are very much looking forward to our game in April in Champaign.

I don't believe Illinois needs any consideration. They are 1-3 with a loss to an unranked team. They blew their chances with the loss to Indiana early in the season and haven't put up a good game against any of the lower ranked top 25 teams.
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