Gurus' between polls poll

[LaxGuru]

Well, let's see...Washington should probably be in the top 5 then considering they destroyed Simon Fraser by 12. This Washington team is the very team that got killed by Chico 16-6 and barely beat Cal 10-9. I would venture a guess and say that Chico had a bad day against Simon Fraser coming off a tough 1 goal loss to Oregon the day before. Chapman beat a very crappy Stanford team (having watched them play UCSD on Saturday) by only two goals (at home no less). The one quality opponent Chapman has played, they lost, so I really don't see how you can have them ranked ahead of Chico. Chico should and will be in the top 15 when the next poll comes out.

Like how Sonoma had a "bad day" and won. The fact is Chico lost to Fraser,if they pulled it out against Fraser while having a bad game we wouldn't be having this conversation. You want to do a correct poll then they drop for being 5-4. Washington dropped after losing to Chapman which gave Chapman another point for edging out Chico for the 25th spot. A lot of the people on these boards have to realize that the league does extend into other time zones besides the pacific. To give a 5-4 Chico a "15" spot over teams from other parts of the country having good seasons is a crime.

[CATLAX MAN]

Chico should and will be in the top 15 when the next poll comes out.

I was with you until this statement. I doubt Chico gets in the Top 15. They will be ranked, but not that high. Just an opinion.

[sdsuspect4L]

All I have to say on this matter is look at last year's top 16. Namely Oregon and Cal Poly. Oregon didn't have may quality wins, but lost "close" games to higher ranked teams. Same goes for Cal Poly. They lost to both A&M and Texas. As for Chico's loss to SFU. Who knows? All I know is SFU beat another good team that weekend....Oregon. Either something has happend to that team in the past three weeks that we don't know about, or they simply had an outstanding weekend.

[sdsuspect4L]

Oh yeah, why is it that Sonoma had a horrible game? Maybe both teams played great and it turned out to be a good 5-4 game? Teams start to come together as the season progresses. Chico is case in point.

[LaxGuru]

Oh yeah, why is it that Sonoma had a horrible game? Maybe both teams played great and it turned out to be a good 5-4 game? Teams start to come together as the season progresses. Chico is case in point.

They stated on their leagues forum that they played terrible, Chico played well and they were lucky to pull it out,If Chico had beat them, I'd have Chico at the low 20 range and Sonoma @ 9-10. I have them listed as 3 because of CHico. If they won convincingly over Chico, I would of had them listed at 2.

[sohotrightnow]

So what about Cal Poly? Why are they at 13? Chico beat them. Why does Chico not get credit for beating Washington, who you have ranked at 18? You continue to avoid my questions. Perhaps you can't answer them...

[LaxGuru]

Like the post said it will change as scores come in, they have been dropped, so has Georgia and Washington. Chico wins out they'll finish in the top twenty, if they hadn't beat Washington and Poly they wouldn't even be on the radar. A lot of games in the next two weeks will completely restructure the poll. Teams that are pretenders (Georgia, Washington, Mich State,Oregon,Poly, Pittsburgh, Miami, Utah?) will be exposed, but based on records to this date all based off of the 1st MDIA poll have them falling as is in my eyes. The loss this evening of Georgia being beat by 6 by Illinois drops them out . The two losses by Washington, Oregon beating Poly has significantly changed 20-25.

[Walter]

These are the movements on the poll I have posted on page 2 of the 2nd poll release forum. I am still awaiting some scores which you will see next to the teams, once I get those the poll can change drmatically with a lot of top 25 head to heads involved.
***I will try to keep it up to date with current scores the best I can.
1.CSU –Moves in after defeating UCSB
2.UCSB-
3.Sonoma- if I could give a 2 A, I would.
4.BYU –showed their selves in 2nd half against CU
5.Mich-
6.Oak- what a game with Pittsburgh, extremely entertaining 9-8 ot victors.
7.Ari-
8.Col –Heck of a 1st half against BYU, but you gotta shoot to score.
9.UCSD- big win vs GT
10.BC-
11.Lindenwood- say what you will, but they win…. convincingly.
12.V Tech- jumps a few because they dominated this past week
13.FSU- 2 losses since last poll, including loss to then unranked Minnesota.
14.Pittsburgh-say hello to the most underrated team in the MDIA.
15.Oregon- an enigma wrapped in a riddle
16.Cal Poly –had the chance to jump Oregon,
17.Michigan State-another team from CCLA not getting respect
18.Washington –the loss to Chapman threw some water on their fire.
19.GT –
20.Miami (oh)
21.Georgia- Tough loss to Illinois drops them back. Could fall out with games against GT and VT looming.
22.Minnesota-the FSU made up my mind
23.Utah-
24.Minnesota-Duluth-awaiting scores
25.Chapman.
Just outside
Chico-Their loss to a Fraser team having a bad year and Chapman beating Fraser is my difference
Vanderbilt-beating from VT puts them on outside looking in.
Florida – was looking to put them in, but then they lose to Chico.

A couple of big and I mean BIG problems GURU!
Oakland is not #6 They barely beat Texas and Pitt and you want to give them a ranking over Arizona who beat BYU and CO who should have beat SB today. That is crazy talk.
Lindenwood may be beating people convincingly but my Jr. High team could beat those teams convincingly. They shouldn't even be ranked top 15 but people will vote them there because everyone wants them to be good.
You accuse the west coast about being biased but you put in Michigan State? Am i missing something here or are you a CCLA homer?
UCSD- fine you want to bag on other teams for losing to top 5 teams (Utah ranked 23) but yet UCSD loses to your #2 and #7 teams adn they don't drop. They are a top 15 team but not top ten.
Washighton ranked 18? they lose to Chapmen and Chico and beat a team that you do not have ranked (SFU) and they are 18?
I already brought this up but you have Utah at 23. You want to tell me that the 10 teams in front of them are better. They have played the top 7 (the real top 7) better than anyone and you think that they are 23.

You should have not posted this, it shows how much you do not know about this league and I question whether you are a biased voter or not. I am sorry to be so negative but you are one of those people who believes that every league is equal, and that is just nuts.

[sohotrightnow]

Sounds good to me Laxguru. I think the law profession is my true calling as I have convinced you to move Cal Poly from 13 to 23, Washington from 18 to 25, and Chico from unranked to 22.

[LaxGuru]

While I was gathering the scores that i was waiting on you copied my poll which has changed after I pulled all the scores out of the leagues forums. Utah has moved up, and I'm sure they'll continue to if they keep winning (Poly 3/24) and alot of the 10-25 teams play each other over the next few weeks. And why yea they played the top teams okay, they still lost to them. I do not believe that all leagues are equal, I know there are some bad ones and some over-hyped.

[LaxGuru]

Sounds good to me Laxguru. I think the law profession is my true calling as I have convinced you to move Cal Poly from 13 to 23, Washington from 18 to 25, and Chico from unranked to 22.

Like I said during the first post I was still gathering scores and that it would change.

[Daniel Morris]

So Laxguru, you just yank UNH from the poll? Why? They haven't had any losses, all their wins were against quality or previously ranked teams, and unfortunately due to the east coast, they have to wait to play anyone else. It doesn't diminish the quality of their program. Some of your picks do strike me as questionable. Are you really seeing the big picture here?

[LaxGuru]

So Laxguru, you just yank UNH from the poll? Why? They haven't had any losses, all their wins were against quality or previously ranked teams, and unfortunately due to the east coast, they have to wait to play anyone else. It doesn't diminish the quality of their program. Some of your picks do strike me as questionable. Are you really seeing the big picture here?

My poll was based of off the poll posted on page 2 of the 2nd poll release forum. And yes I don't believe N.H should be ranked, unfortunately due to the scheduling points you bring up. They havn't played anyone and don't have any scheduled, it's not their fault, but they don't merit a ranking based on the situation. Texas A&M is having a bad year so is LSU (0-3), if A&M had bounced back then my view would've changed slightly.

[Daniel Morris]

I don't see it. UNH waltzes into Texas, not having played a game this season. They win a tournament against teams such as Texas Tech and Texas A&M. They will most likely win every other game they play this season, with BC being a toss-up. They could easily be the victor against the bottom fifth of the poll. How does that mean they don't belong?

[LaxGuru]

A&M is 6-7, with only noteworthy victory a one goal win over FLorida. A&M does get credit for having one of the toughest schedules though. Tech is 2-3 with wins over A&M and what may be an overated Washington team. I thaught Wash. was having a good year before losses to CHapman and Tech which drops their stock. Just like the stock in the victories by UNH over the Texas teams. If UNH had blown them out...maybe 24-25.