Thre great coach's in our great state

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Why can't the MSHSL realize the best the coaches not be employees of the school

[Sonny]

The school boards claim it's a liability issue.

Non-school employees can go through a verification process and still be assistant coaches, correct?

[troche]

As is right now, non school employees can be coaches (head or assistant) after a background check. You are then an employee of the school district.

If the legislature was to ever re-implement that coaches did need to have a teachers license, I would assume, lacrosse would take a big hit. I know I would be out the door!

Tim Roche
Eastview lacrosse

[horn17]

As is right now, non school employees can be coaches (head or assistant) after a background check. You are then an employee of the school district.

If the legislature was to ever re-implement that coaches did need to have a teachers license, I would assume, lacrosse would take a big hit. I know I would be out the door!

Tim Roche
Eastview lacrosse

Thats why I coach at private schools....I dont have to worry about that....we are seen differently at my past job and now with my present one....if I wanted, I can even teach at one of these schools without a "license"

[troche]

if I wanted, I can even teach at one of these schools without a "license"

WHAT!?!?!?! next thing you know, the UMN will allow Adam G to be a professor...




Tim Roche
Eastview Lacrosse

[horn17]

yes shocking isnt it...I wasnt ever aware of that until my current employer mentioned it to me as well..

[horn17]

if I wanted, I can even teach at one of these schools without a "license"

WHAT!?!?!?! next thing you know, the UMN will allow Adam G to be a professor...




Tim Roche
Eastview Lacrosse

I think that would be intresting...as long as he doesnt have Mooney as his grad assistant....

[Gooseguy10]

"WHAT!?!?!?! next thing you know, the UMN will allow Adam G to be a professor..."



Lets not get carried away here!


I would bet if you looked at the root of the MSHSL emphasis on the importance of having school employees as coaches you would find that the teachers union has their hands in it. Meaning, they are trying to protect teacher opportunity. Coaching opportunities offer teachers an ability to add money to pad their "high five" for retirement.

I am the assistant baseball coach up here in Northern Minnesota (even further north than Duluth) and I am the only coach at our school that is also a school employee. There just isn't enough qualified people at the school to fill coaching vacancies.

[TexOle]

I think you would be shocked at how well it would work forcing all coaches to be full time district employees. In Texas it is a requirement, and it works quite well. You should see some of the ways that schools get around this requirement. I met a wrestling coach that was paid quite well to take care of the grounds. I think Todd Dodge (now at North Texas) made $125K a year for coaching football full time. Due to the fact that lacrosse is still young in Minnesota it would take more of a hit than other sports. One reason that you see the full time employee requirement is to help recruit new teachers.

[DanGenck]

I teach and coach at a school that does not require having a license. The interesting part was that in MN, if you wanted to teach high school English, you would take something like 18 upper level English credits. However, if you got the English major, you would take 40 upper level English credits.

Now, which one of those do you think prepares someone better to teach high school level English? Seemed a little backward to me...

[DanGenck]

I think you would be shocked at how well it would work forcing all coaches to be full time district employees. In Texas it is a requirement, and it works quite well. You should see some of the ways that schools get around this requirement. I met a wrestling coach that was paid quite well to take care of the grounds. I think Todd Dodge (now at North Texas) made $125K a year for coaching football full time. Due to the fact that lacrosse is still young in Minnesota it would take more of a hit than other sports. One reason that you see the full time employee requirement is to help recruit new teachers.

Minnesota is one of the most price sensitive markets in the United States. Districts would need to be extremely careful about paying someone an inflated salary to be a district employee, or creating a position to keep a coach in the district. The slightest hint of wasted money would send most areas through the roof, especially in the North Metro and Twin Cities where districts struggle the most with funding.

Schools already get a lot of flack for having their Athletic Director usually be the football or hockey coach. Having Elk River High School's Hockey Coach make 40K to mow grass (which he would never do anyway) would not be a good development...

[TexOle]

Please remember that I am from Texas where athletics are king. I have seen some things that nobody else sees in athletics. The 2 major Catholic schools in Texas are willing to put money in to athletics.

It is not an English license. It is a Communications Arts Literature license. You need upper level classes in speech, theater, debate, linguistics and other classes on top of your English major. Also there are requirements for your Education theory.

[horn17]

I think you would be shocked at how well it would work forcing all coaches to be full time district employees. In Texas it is a requirement, and it works quite well. You should see some of the ways that schools get around this requirement. I met a wrestling coach that was paid quite well to take care of the grounds. I think Todd Dodge (now at North Texas) made $125K a year for coaching football full time. Due to the fact that lacrosse is still young in Minnesota it would take more of a hit than other sports. One reason that you see the full time employee requirement is to help recruit new teachers.

Minnesota is one of the most price sensitive markets in the United States. Districts would need to be extremely careful about paying someone an inflated salary to be a district employee, or creating a position to keep a coach in the district. The slightest hint of wasted money would send most areas through the roof, especially in the North Metro and Twin Cities where districts struggle the most with funding.

Schools already get a lot of flack for having their Athletic Director usually be the football or hockey coach. Having Elk River High School's Hockey Coach make 40K to mow grass (which he would never do anyway) would not be a good development...

Dan,

You really should call Minnetonka's baseball coach......90,000 per year from the "booster club".......thats nothing compared to Grant at EP, and the bidding war that errupted over the BSM Hockey Coach before he left to go to Tonka, and then came back. The bigger profile schools pay top dollar for talent now a days....some of my co workers have a MUCH higher pay scale at my school vs. what I make on the athletics side of things. Someday - 75,000 just to coach hs ball, that's what I call paradise....

[DanGenck]

I agree with you 100% that those would be terrific jobs. Who wouldn't love to get paid full time to coach high school athletics? Instead, 97% of us get stuck with 9 jobs (teacher, administrator, coach, quasi-parent, chauffeur, counselor, and so on...) and a pat on the back for our services.

If I worked at a school that allowed pay differentials in coaching (other than on a small scale), I would raise hell about it. I shouldn't make less than someone else because I coach girls lacrosse and running backs...

However, we are getting off topic a bit. Did anyone on this board actually get the state certification through their college? I would be interested to know how difficult it was at other schools than SJU.

[horn17]

I havent gotten mine yet, but I am looking into it....it will be getting paid for by my current employer - I'll let you know how it goes...


I wish I was making what a Varisty Hockey HC was, but thats not realistic in this state just yet...maybe in 5 years...