Clarifications about BYU Lacrosse

[dtrain34]

Please don't try the double talk with me my friend.... Next you are going to try to tell me that Xenu is not the supreme emperor of the galatic federation and that Tom Cruise is not one of only a handful of humans on Earth who is free of all clinging ghosts and spirits (p.s. the ones that survived the atom-bomb ignited, volcano blasts).

I'm sorry, the COST of tuition is the same for all students. The amount that a person pays to this cost, is affected by whether or not they completed their mission (because this does have a huge correlation for their ability to earn a scholarship; whether it is deferred during their time away or not).

By the way, I am more on your side in calling this a draw. The 10% of their salary that your members pay over a lifetime, plus the $10,000 (give or take) for the mission itself, probably works out to what everyone else's "normal" tuition is.

[bbandlax]

I am not really sure where you are going with this one dtrain. However in order to avoid double talk, and for anyone interested, here are tuition, fees, and costs of attending BYU.

Tuition and Fees info - http://saas.byu.edu/tuition/

Cost of attendance - http://saas.byu.edu/depts/finaid/costs.aspx?lms=1

[LaxRef]

I'm sorry, the COST of tuition is the same for all students. The amount that a person pays to this cost, is affected by whether or not they completed their mission (because this does have a huge correlation for their ability to earn a scholarship; whether it is deferred during their time away or not).

I think what you're trying to get at is that the cost to BYU per student is the same. That is arguable: for example, at some schools students taking between 12 and 16 credits pay the same amount. The cost to the school of someone taking 16 credits is almost certainly higher than it is for someone taking 12. Of course, a lot of this depends on how you do your accounting: does it cost the university the same per student for a 400-student intro psych course as it does for a 4-credit "Theory of Modular Forms and L-Functions" course with 3 students?

But the real issue here is that you're changing definitions. People here are obviously talking about the cost to the student, not the cost to the university. While you can certainly discuss both, you can't change horses midstream. The term "cost" is valid in each case, but you can't jump in and say, "You're all wrong!" when that's not what they were talking about.

[DG]

I'm sorry, the COST of tuition is the same for all students. The amount that a person pays to this cost, is affected by whether or not they completed their mission (because this does have a huge correlation for their ability to earn a scholarship; whether it is deferred during their time away or not).

Train,

The only difference is whether you are a member of the LDS Church or not. If you are a member, you pay less.

The reason that the cost of education is so low, is that the tithing funds (10% per year) of the Church are used to pay many of BYU's costs.

DG

[Beta]

The only difference is whether you are a member of the LDS Church or not. If you are a member, you pay less.

Si, while every student may not necessarily be of the Latter Day Saint faith...the vast majority are. Not all LDS males are "required" to go on their mission...but most choose to.

[Has No Left]

The only difference is whether you are a member of the LDS Church or not. If you are a member, you pay less.

The reason that the cost of education is so low, is that the tithing funds (10% per year) of the Church are used to pay many of BYU's costs.

DG

Here is something that surprised even me. I guess I never thought about it before. If you are a non-resident, LDS (about 50% of the student population claim LDS as their religion) or non-LDS attending the University of Utah, your yearly tuition for 12 credit hours would be $12,470.00 for two semesters, unless you live in a WUE state.

If you were a non-resident, non-LDS attending BYU, your tuition would be $7680.00 for two semesters - It is $4,790.00 less per year to attend BYU as a non-resident , non-LDS. That's bizarre!

[dtrain34]

No Left that contradicts everything that DG just said, and I am pretty sure that he knows what he is talking about.

Regardless, why is that bizarre to you...i don't know what your feelings are about religion. Hopefully you see it as faith, and not as a business, but which ever way you view it....what better way to attract new candidates and bring them in.

[ramerica]

It should be said that getting into BYU with the steller 2.7 GPA I had in 1984 doesn't happen anymore. There are lots of people that pay 10% whose kids can't get in. I hope mine do.

Paying tithing is no guarantee of admissions. Tom, do you know anybody in the church that can change that for me? I pay almost 8% every year.

[Ballin']

coach holtz, i never called it a bad thing if he does get a player into BYU because of his connections, i personally think that it is cool that he has that kind of power, if he does. but could that be the "scholarship" that flip is referring to? could you call it a scholarship if you are mormon (therefore you get the cheap tuition) and coach lamb pulls some strings to get you in the school. just something to think about. that is the point i am trying to get at

[PigPen]

I think that Hugh said is huge-if more teams used thier "connections" of alumni and friends of whoever lacrosse-it would help offset a lot of little costs that add up.

ie-team A goes to Florida and through their alumni office they put out feelers to alumni in that area that would be willing to help. BAM-you might have some places to stay, or at the very least a home cooked meal, which saves money. the bigger schools-the A&Ms, Michigans, Texas', Oregon's probably have a bit of an advantage there, but it's something that people lshould ook to tap into.

[PigPen]

I think another interesting thing about this argument is what are the drawbacks to the BYU machine. In the very same breath that some kid from DC wants to go to BYU cause he's a LDS member there is some good athletes that are looking to go west and decide not to go to BYU because of their religious affilitation. It's a double edged sword that people don't like to talk about. So for every so called advantage there is something about the program, by it's sheer nature that probably turns some off. True for every team in the country but probably more noticable at a high profiled at a school like BYU due to their history of success.

[Has No Left]

Tom, do you know anybody in the church that can change that for me? I pay almost 8% every year.

How about Ben and Jerry's every Friday night for the team for the next 20 years? That's probably 2%; I think I can get Samuelson to sign off on that.

[whitcd]

this thread is very instersting to me. My advisor at Minnesota State is from Utah and a mormon. We took a class trip to Arizona and New Mexico. On our way back home, we stopped at his brothers house, true mormon house, it was a true culture clash. Especially us from being from Minnesota and saying words. Overall, it was fun to catch scorpions in their backyard with a white light. I liked im, very fun teacher but he picked his favorites.and then a girl got bitten the next morning cuz one got in house.

[Jana]

Some universities have better funding than others for academic and need based scholarships, some universities cut you a break if you are a member of their church, or their state, or the group of states that exchanges in-state tuition fees. Some states subsidize a bigger proportion of tuition dollars than others. Let it go - get out in the sun and play some weak hand wall ball.