5/2/07 Division A Top 25 Poll is out

[Ravaging Beast]

WCLL: 4
RMLC: 3
PCLL: 2
SELC: 2
PNCLL: 1
CCLA: 1
UMLL: 1
GRLC: 1
LAS: 1

[wingman3227]

Trainer Dan,
How can you say that Michigan and Duluth have had the same seasons that UCSB, U of A, CU, and ASU have had...nether of those two teams have won anything...beaten any top ten teams, while all of the other four have top ten teams under their belt...I feel that there is way too much credit going to a couple of close losses for UMD and a history of success for Michigan...I understand both of these teams deserve to be in the top ten because of what they have done against second teir competition...but they should not be aahed of any of those teams....I see it as they are the 8 and 9 rather than the 4 and the 7, I don't understand what people are seeing when they are voting them so high....
I know that some people see UMD's close losses to CSU and BYU as a reason to have them ranked high, but Noma lost a close one to BYU and got smoked by Arizona, Lindenwood lost a close one to CSU and got smoked by Duluth and Arizona..what I am saying is a close loss is not a win and shouldn't be counted as one...
The way I see it is the top three are all bunched together as they should be....
The next four should be : UCSB, CU, Arizona, ASU
The next three should be: UMD, Michigan, Boston College,
and then the rest...of the top sixteen
Noma, Georgia, NE, Texas A &M, Florida, Lindenwood

I don't understand what is putting Michigan at #4...they lost to #1, #2, and #9 at home, and they haven't beaten a team above 14....is that number 4 material...
Poll Voters....Don't look at the name, look at the resume, teams they have beaten and lost to...
Just my opinion....I could be wrong...

[JerzWB]

I don't understand what is putting Michigan at #4...they lost to #1, #2, and #9 at home, and they haven't beaten a team above 14....is that number 4 material...
Poll Voters....Don't look at the name, look at the resume, teams they have beaten and lost to...

#1- BYU
#2- Oregon
#3- CSU
#4- Santa Barbara
#5- Michigan
#6-Arizona
#7-Colorado
#8- Minnesota Duluth
#9- ASU
#10- Sonoma State
#11- Boston College
#12-Georgia
#13- Northeastern
#14- Texas A&M
#15-Florida
#16-Lindenwood

What has changed in two days? Not that I don't agree with your statement about Michigan and UMD, very good points. Just curious.

[TrainerDan]

Trainer Dan,
How can you say that Michigan and Duluth have had the same seasons that UCSB, U of A, CU, and ASU have had...nether of those two teams have won anything...beaten any top ten teams, while all of the other four have top ten teams under their belt...I feel that there is way too much credit going to a couple of close losses for UMD and a history of success for Michigan...I understand both of these teams deserve to be in the top ten because of what they have done against second teir competition...but they should not be aahed of any of those teams....I see it as they are the 8 and 9 rather than the 4 and the 7, I don't understand what people are seeing when they are voting them so high....
I know that some people see UMD's close losses to CSU and BYU as a reason to have them ranked high, but Noma lost a close one to BYU and got smoked by Arizona, Lindenwood lost a close one to CSU and got smoked by Duluth and Arizona..what I am saying is a close loss is not a win and shouldn't be counted as one...
The way I see it is the top three are all bunched together as they should be....
The next four should be : UCSB, CU, Arizona, ASU
The next three should be: UMD, Michigan, Boston College,
and then the rest...of the top sixteen
Noma, Georgia, NE, Texas A &M, Florida, Lindenwood

I don't understand what is putting Michigan at #4...they lost to #1, #2, and #9 at home, and they haven't beaten a team above 14....is that number 4 material...
Poll Voters....Don't look at the name, look at the resume, teams they have beaten and lost to...
Just my opinion....I could be wrong...

You basically pointed out what I meant in that #4-#10 could realistically be any of those teams in whatever order. It doesn't really matter because they are all very evenly matched up...IMO

[univduke21]

Michigan has a rep . . .
they usually beat some good teams over spring break and then, when they had it, would usually sweep the michigan invitational. They would follow this up by winning the ccla (tourney and regular season). Their problems are come tournament time. The wheels always seem to fall off the bus.

so, they have a good regular season rep. Post season is where they have been sub par.

Actually in the last 3 years, Michigan has won only one CCLA tournament title. So not a solid as you think.

Second, you get a reputation in the playoffs not the regular season, in my opinion Michigan is constantly held as a standard when they shouldn't be.

[wingman3227]

I guess just all the talk in the last few days about what Michigan and UMD have done this season have got me to thinking, also that a team like U of A or ASU, will be out of the tourney in the first round, I think it makes for a solid tourney, but after a season like each of these teams have had, it seems unfair for one of them to be headed home, while UMD and Michigan, have easier games to move on...but that is an interesting point, about my own thoughts, solid research Jerz...proves to me that I have been thinking about all of this way too much...

[anklebreaker]

anyone could be sent home after the first day.........

[scooter]

...I feel that there is way too much credit going to a couple of close losses for UMD

I think the reason why many hold them in high regard (inculding myself) is that it wasn't just 1 close loss, but 3. They don't have any marquee wins over top competition, but they played better against the best than anyone else

[More Cowbell]

...I feel that there is way too much credit going to a couple of close losses for UMD

I think the reason why many hold them in high regard (inculding myself) is that it wasn't just 1 close loss, but 3. They don't have any marquee wins over top competition, but they played better against the best than anyone else

I wouldnt classify Utah as one of "the best"...

[scooter]

neither would I, but see #1 BYU, and #2 CSU...

[buffalowill]

Not nearly as important but just another example of voters voting based on reputation and not merit:
How Texas received 40 points after losing to Santa Clara AND UCLA in Austin late in the season is beyond me. I mean SCU and UCLA both finished the season in the bottom half of the 20-team conference in terms of conference games (laxpower).

[OldRamAlum83]

Trainer Dan,
How can you say that Michigan and Duluth have had the same seasons that UCSB, U of A, CU, and ASU have had...nether of those two teams have won anything...beaten any top ten teams, while all of the other four have top ten teams under their belt...I feel that there is way too much credit going to a couple of close losses for UMD and a history of success for Michigan...I understand both of these teams deserve to be in the top ten because of what they have done against second teir competition...but they should not be aahed of any of those teams....I see it as they are the 8 and 9 rather than the 4 and the 7, I don't understand what people are seeing when they are voting them so high....
I know that some people see UMD's close losses to CSU and BYU as a reason to have them ranked high, but Noma lost a close one to BYU and got smoked by Arizona, Lindenwood lost a close one to CSU and got smoked by Duluth and Arizona..what I am saying is a close loss is not a win and shouldn't be counted as one...
The way I see it is the top three are all bunched together as they should be....
The next four should be : UCSB, CU, Arizona, ASU
The next three should be: UMD, Michigan, Boston College,
and then the rest...of the top sixteen
Noma, Georgia, NE, Texas A &M, Florida, Lindenwood

I don't understand what is putting Michigan at #4...they lost to #1, #2, and #9 at home, and they haven't beaten a team above 14....is that number 4 material...
Poll Voters....Don't look at the name, look at the resume, teams they have beaten and lost to...
Just my opinion....I could be wrong...

Ditto I totally agree and it's strange and so wrong to think that Michigan could go into the tournament seeded higher than CSU or BYU after this weeks RMLC playoffs. The winner of the CSU v. CU game will have played a harder schedule in the conference playoffs than Michigan did all year and they rarely if ever went far away from their own backyard..

[PSLguy]

Ditto I totally agree and it's strange and so wrong to think that Michigan could go into the tournament seeded higher than CSU or BYU after this weeks RMLC playoffs. The winner of the CSU v. CU game will have played a harder schedule in the conference playoffs than Michigan did all year and they rarely if ever went far away from their own backyard..

I don't think that will happen. Even taking into account that either CSU or BYU has to lose this week, barring a bad loss, I can only see Oregon jumping the losing team. Of course there could always be a CU-Utah RMLC final

[Jolly Roger]

Not nearly as important but just another example of voters voting based on reputation and not merit:
How Texas received 40 points after losing to Santa Clara AND UCLA in Austin late in the season is beyond me. I mean SCU and UCLA both finished the season in the bottom half of the 20-team conference in terms of conference games (laxpower).

Conference runners up have historically climbed in the polls, particularly if that game was close

[TrainerDan]

Trainer Dan,
How can you say that Michigan and Duluth have had the same seasons that UCSB, U of A, CU, and ASU have had...nether of those two teams have won anything...beaten any top ten teams, while all of the other four have top ten teams under their belt...I feel that there is way too much credit going to a couple of close losses for UMD and a history of success for Michigan...I understand both of these teams deserve to be in the top ten because of what they have done against second teir competition...but they should not be aahed of any of those teams....I see it as they are the 8 and 9 rather than the 4 and the 7, I don't understand what people are seeing when they are voting them so high....
I know that some people see UMD's close losses to CSU and BYU as a reason to have them ranked high, but Noma lost a close one to BYU and got smoked by Arizona, Lindenwood lost a close one to CSU and got smoked by Duluth and Arizona..what I am saying is a close loss is not a win and shouldn't be counted as one...
The way I see it is the top three are all bunched together as they should be....
The next four should be : UCSB, CU, Arizona, ASU
The next three should be: UMD, Michigan, Boston College,
and then the rest...of the top sixteen
Noma, Georgia, NE, Texas A &M, Florida, Lindenwood

I don't understand what is putting Michigan at #4...they lost to #1, #2, and #9 at home, and they haven't beaten a team above 14....is that number 4 material...
Poll Voters....Don't look at the name, look at the resume, teams they have beaten and lost to...
Just my opinion....I could be wrong...

Ditto I totally agree and it's strange and so wrong to think that Michigan could go into the tournament seeded higher than CSU or BYU after this weeks RMLC playoffs. The winner of the CSU v. CU game will have played a harder schedule in the conference playoffs than Michigan did all year and they rarely if ever went far away from their own backyard..

I don't see either BYU or CSU dropping out of the top 3 with a loss to each other this week. The only way I could see them dropping below 3 is if CSU loses to CU or BYU loses to Utah. If BYU holds serve against the Utes and CSU holds off CU, #3 is as low as either of those 2 teams should fall.