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2007 WCLL Division A Award Winners
Coach of the Year:
Adam Hopkins, Arizona State University
Offensive Player of the Year:
Tyler Westfall, Sophomore, Arizona State University
Defensive Player of the Year:
Douglas Abate, University of California, Santa Barbara
WCLL Division A All Conference FIRST Team
Attack:
Tyler Westfall, Sophomore, Arizona State University
Andres 'Cito' Williams, Junior, Sonoma State University
Seth Kweller, Junior, Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
Midfield:
Ryan Westfall, Freshman, Arizona State University
Harrison Crawford, Senior, University of Arizona
Michael Farinelli, Sophomore, Chapman University
Face Off
Masato Takeshita, Senior, University of California, Santa Barbara
LSM/Specialist:
Scott Rickert, Senior, University of Arizona
Defense:
Douglas Abate, Senior, University of California, Santa Barbara
Phil Keebler, Sophomore, Sonoma State University
Dan Riddle, Junior, Sonoma State University
Goal:
Warren Pringle, Junior, Sonoma State University
WCLL Division A All Conference SECOND Team
Attack:
Brian Minkler, Junior, Loyola Marymount University
Brendan Sindell, Sophomore, University of California, Santa Barbara
Nicholas Stratton, Senior, University of California, Santa Barbara
Midfield:
Mark Swoboda, Sophomore, Santa Clara University
Curtis Fillmore, Sophomore, University of Arizona
Marcus Sylva, Sophomore, Sonoma State University
Face Off:
Grey Morrison, Junior, University of Arizona
LSM/Specialist:
Chris Schaible, Sophomore, University of California, Santa Barbara
Defense:
Scott Kelly, Senior, University of California
Derek Scadden, Senior, University of California, Los Angeles
Elliott Carney, Senior, University of California, Santa Barbara
Goal:
Phillip Donnici, Sophomore, Santa Clara University
WCLL Division A All Conference THIRD Team
Attack:
Corey Smith, Freshman, University of Arizona
Eric Nelson, Freshman, Arizona State University
Scott Brittain, Senior, Santa Clara University
Midfield:
Mike Clayton, Chapman University
Dustin Benesch, Senior, University of California, Santa Barbara
Tim Thatcher, Senior, Claremont College
Face Off:
Austin Baruffi, Junior, Loyola Marymount University
Jon Maxwell, Senior, Sonoma State University
LSM/Specialist:
Max Sanford, Freshman, Claremont College
Zach Cohen, Junior, Sonoma State University
Defense:
John Gorman, Junior, University of Arizona
Mark Govan, Junior, Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo
Chad Jeffry, Junior, University of Arizona
Goal:
Ian Parker, Freshman, University of Arizona
WCLL Division A All Conference HONORABLE MENTION Team
Attack:
Thomas Hower, Junior, Chico State University
Gregory Polheber, Senior, University of Arizona
David Parker, Sophomore, University of California
Midfield:
Anthony Laflam, Freshman,, Arizona State University
Eric Price, Senior, University of California, San Diego
LSM/Specialist:
Tomas Marquez, Junior, Santa Clara University
Chris Marshall, Senior, Chapman University
Shane Robinson, Sophomore, University of California, Los Angeles
Nick Johnson, Senior, Arizona State University
Defense:
Justin Krider, Sophomore, Arizona State University
Devon Abbate, Junior, Sonoma State University
Brandon Kim, Junior, San Diego State University
Drew Wishnack, Junior, University of California, San Diego
Goal:
Matthew Schneider, Junior, University of California
2007 WCLL Division B Award Winners
Coach of the Year:
Will Hemsley, University of California, Irvine
Offensive Player of the Year:
Michael Thompson, University of California, Santa Cruz
Defensive Player of the Year:
Jimmy Shirley, University of California, Irvine
WCLL Division B All Conference FIRST Team
Attack:
Michael Nolan, Freshman, San Jose State University
Gary Smith, Sophomore, University of Nevada, Las Vegas
Michael Thompson, Senior, University of California, Santa Cruz
Midfield:
Michael Widmann, Freshman, Occidental College
Bryce Vankooten, Senior, Biola University
Lucas Murrillo, Freshman, University of California, Santa Cruz
Face Off:
Josh Geleris, Senior, Occidental College
LSM/Specialist:
Rens DeBruijin, Grad, University of California, Irvine
Defense:
Charlie Seglem, Freshman, University of California, Santa Cruz
Ismael Thornz-Mendez, Freshman, San Jose State University
Stephen Schuil, Junior, Biola University
Goal:
Jimmy Shirley, Junior, University of California, Irvine
WCLL Division B All Conference SECOND Team
Attack:
Benjamin Agadoni, Junior, Biola University
Andrew Chang, Freshman, University of California, Irvine
Benjamin Gobin, Senior, Occidental College
Midfield:
Will Scarbrough, Sophomore, Cal Lutheran
Russell Masuda, Sophomore, University of the Pacific
LSM/Specialist:
Erick Arabia, Junior, University of California, Santa Cruz
Defense:
Emanuel Figlia, Sophomore, San Jose State University
Benjamin Brown, Junior, Occidental College
Jordan Freeark, Sophomore, University of the Pacific
Goal:
Robert Weigand, Freshman, San Jose State University
WCLL All Conference Team
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Ravaging Beast wrote:Two first team dmen for SSU? Uhhhhh???? Last I checked, their d wasn't THAT good.
Now that may be the most rediculous statement ever on the boards. Obviously you know way more than the coaches who actually voted for these players.
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Ravaging Beast wrote:Two first team dmen for SSU?
As a coach, would you have started one of the 2nd teamers ahead of either of these guys? That ends up being my criteria.
As an aside, I didn't see any of these players, just being the advocate of the devil
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Two first team dmen for SSU? Uhhhhh???? Last I checked, their d wasn't THAT good.
Now that may be the most rediculous statement ever on the boards. Obviously you know way more than the coaches who actually voted for these players.
Is it that ridiculous? Have you seen the AA selections in the past? Lots of coaches don't see players play, they just hear about them from other coaches. How else can you explain Brandon Hays being selected 2nd team AA last year? All-League selections are no exception. In 2004, SB's goalie was named WCLL Defensive Player of the Year and was named 2nd team All-League. Explain that one please.
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Before I rant, congrats to all the players for their selections. Obviously, whatever team you end up on, you obviously represented your school well to even be considered. Seriously...
Now that that is out of the way, WHAT IS GOING ON!
Look, I could right a novel here. But I am going to try to start keeping things more precise. Sohotrightnow is right. Please Noma fans don't just get "defensive" (no pun intended) and say they should win, but try to take a step back and try to look at this objectively. I know that it is hard for you to believe, but there are other good schools, with better players. Particularly this year. And before you question my 'credentials,' I was a coach in this league for 4 years, have seen the selections in question play, and was a former selection myself; a long, long time ago (sigh..."old ass man dog, old ass man). Plus, you don't have much of a leg to stand-on, considering the scores of the bigger games this year.
Cito Williams is an absolute stud and deserves first team. He is arguably the best attackman in the league this year. Maybe Noma deserves a defenseman too, for arguments sake let's also give Pringle the nod based on past performance and reputation (whether you disagree or not). But two out of the three defenseman, plus the goalie. Come on...
Let me tell you something, at our level a stud attackman, plus two first team defenseman, plus a 4yr. 1st team goalie = CHAMPIONSHIP!
So seriously, you answer one question for me (not being negative or condesending, I honestly want to understand this). Is the coaching that bad at Sonoma (which I don't think it is) or is there a completely unfair bias? Look, it is one or the other, so I would like to have an honest answer.
We look like a joke to the rest of the nation when our Defensive players of the year keep getting named to our 2nd teams, and then ultimately getting kept off of 1st team All-American selections. I know that everyone loves their own players and wants them to receive recognition, but this, along with a few other things needs to start being more fair to the kids.
Everyone works just as hard as everyone else, this is the rare exception where it does matter about the name on your back, instead of the name on the front.
And since it is about the name on the back.....Chapman players aren't ineligible for these awards. They are that good this year and no one other than Farrinelli gets recognized? How?
(Wow, and that was supposed to be precise..., and yes, for what it is worth, I would have started Kelly, Carney, Kim, or Wishnack over either of them)
Now that that is out of the way, WHAT IS GOING ON!
Look, I could right a novel here. But I am going to try to start keeping things more precise. Sohotrightnow is right. Please Noma fans don't just get "defensive" (no pun intended) and say they should win, but try to take a step back and try to look at this objectively. I know that it is hard for you to believe, but there are other good schools, with better players. Particularly this year. And before you question my 'credentials,' I was a coach in this league for 4 years, have seen the selections in question play, and was a former selection myself; a long, long time ago (sigh..."old ass man dog, old ass man). Plus, you don't have much of a leg to stand-on, considering the scores of the bigger games this year.
Cito Williams is an absolute stud and deserves first team. He is arguably the best attackman in the league this year. Maybe Noma deserves a defenseman too, for arguments sake let's also give Pringle the nod based on past performance and reputation (whether you disagree or not). But two out of the three defenseman, plus the goalie. Come on...
Let me tell you something, at our level a stud attackman, plus two first team defenseman, plus a 4yr. 1st team goalie = CHAMPIONSHIP!
So seriously, you answer one question for me (not being negative or condesending, I honestly want to understand this). Is the coaching that bad at Sonoma (which I don't think it is) or is there a completely unfair bias? Look, it is one or the other, so I would like to have an honest answer.
We look like a joke to the rest of the nation when our Defensive players of the year keep getting named to our 2nd teams, and then ultimately getting kept off of 1st team All-American selections. I know that everyone loves their own players and wants them to receive recognition, but this, along with a few other things needs to start being more fair to the kids.
Everyone works just as hard as everyone else, this is the rare exception where it does matter about the name on your back, instead of the name on the front.
And since it is about the name on the back.....Chapman players aren't ineligible for these awards. They are that good this year and no one other than Farrinelli gets recognized? How?
(Wow, and that was supposed to be precise..., and yes, for what it is worth, I would have started Kelly, Carney, Kim, or Wishnack over either of them)
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Who does vote for all of these players, because I know it is not every WCLL coach, even though every coach turns in their nominated players. Each coach gets 5 players, but if they are ranked or make playoffs, they get more (not sure why that would be, since so many ranked teams got beat by unranked ones this year). There seems to be some guys that stand out as being the best on their teams that floated toward the bottom of the lists. I know that is bound to happen, but it would be nice to know the process for this whole thing.
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Wow interesting lineup...no USC player made the list, and they had their best year ever I think! I thought they had a few impressive players, but then again I am only judging from one game.
Anyways, I think the WCLL All-Conference awards have been and will continue to be a bit weird when you have a 20 team league and each team only has to play about a quarter of the teams in the WCLL. Therefore the coaches of some teams will not have seen 75% of the teams in the league even play! Do you think they are able to make a non-biased vote! Again, not blaming the coaches, but this is an unintended consequence of the division split.
Because of this I think many of the voters go off of stats and most importantly communication with coaches.
Anyways, I think the WCLL All-Conference awards have been and will continue to be a bit weird when you have a 20 team league and each team only has to play about a quarter of the teams in the WCLL. Therefore the coaches of some teams will not have seen 75% of the teams in the league even play! Do you think they are able to make a non-biased vote! Again, not blaming the coaches, but this is an unintended consequence of the division split.
Because of this I think many of the voters go off of stats and most importantly communication with coaches.
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buffalowill wrote:Wow interesting lineup...no USC player made the list, and they had their best year ever I think! I thought they had a few impressive players, but then again I am only judging from one game.
Funny. That's what I was thinking. Time to start padding assists...I kid.
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dtrain34 wrote:Cito Williams is an absolute stud and deserves first team. He is arguably the best attackman in the league this year.
And since it is about the name on the back.....Chapman players aren't ineligible for these awards. They are that good this year and no one other than Farrinelli gets recognized? How?
Cito makes first team attack? I have heard a lot of people saying that he played middie most of the year. Is that correct? If so, why was he selected as first team attack?
And midfield. How does Mike Clayton make third team. He is definitely up there with Farinelli. And Dustin Benesch (WCLL tournament offensive MVP), why was he at third team? He was the best middie on the WCLL championship team. I'm sure Rudyfan would agree.
laxative wrote:Funny. That's what I was thinking. Time to start padding assists...I kid. Wink
I hope coaches out there were aware of the teams padding their stats. I think people know the team I am talking about. Way, way, way too many assists.
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Congratulations to all of the players on their selection to these teams.
It does no good to spend time second guessing and complaining about the process, it has never been perfect and it may never be perfect. The point is that these are the players that were recognized for their achievements and that is that. Gary and his group put a lot of work and effort into this process which is wrought with difficulty and they certainly deserve to be appreciated for the effort, not lambasted for a perceived oversight or slight of a player. The outcome of which team a player is selected to is a result of the vote tally of the participating members of the selection committee.
It does no good to spend time second guessing and complaining about the process, it has never been perfect and it may never be perfect. The point is that these are the players that were recognized for their achievements and that is that. Gary and his group put a lot of work and effort into this process which is wrought with difficulty and they certainly deserve to be appreciated for the effort, not lambasted for a perceived oversight or slight of a player. The outcome of which team a player is selected to is a result of the vote tally of the participating members of the selection committee.
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How does a team that goes 7 and 7 and does not make playoffs get four selections? oh thats right santa clars'a coach was on the votong committe. I guess you have to play for them to be selected. a Goalie that has a .566 save percentage gets second team? really? If I had to guess I would say the Sonoma Guys and Santa Clara guys got together and made the list by themselves.
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SDSULAX wrote:Congratulations to all of the players on their selection to these teams.
It does no good to spend time second guessing and complaining about the process, it has never been perfect and it may never be perfect. The point is that these are the players that were recognized for their achievements and that is that. Gary and his group put a lot of work and effort into this process which is wrought with difficulty and they certainly deserve to be appreciated for the effort, not lambasted for a perceived oversight or slight of a player. The outcome of which team a player is selected to is a result of the vote tally of the participating members of the selection committee.
Agreed. Congrats to all.
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