2007 MN HS SEASON THREAD

[Rob Graff]

Grapevine, but I believe reliable...

1. Wayzata did beat EP.

2. Minnetonka beat Wayzata (I think by 3).

[horn17]

From Saturday:


BSM 14 St. Thomas Academy 3


Great weather, just really windy!

[DanGenck]

Grapevine, but I believe reliable...

1. Wayzata did beat EP.

2. Minnetonka beat Wayzata (I think by 3).

True. I heard Wayzata had about 20 penalties in their loss to Minnetonka.

Question- why are goals getting waived off by illegal stick penalties? I do not know how it is done in Minnesota right now, but out here the stick checks (4 per game) come at the end of quarters, not immediately after goals.

It seems like quite the momentum killer to check sticks after goals. Why not check them during normal stoppages in play like quarters?

Also, if a stick is found illegal after a quarter, all of that player's goals are not called off then. Why are the goals called off if the stick is found to be illegal immediately following a score? It seems like this type of testing is more trouble than it is worth...

Ideas?

[oldmanlax]

In response to Dan's inquiry, The amount of stick checks has been lifted per game. I believe it is 7 or 8 now. The refs are taking them immediately after the first several goals of the game. If the stick is illegal, goal is waived. Obviously because you can't play with an illegal stick.

Laxref, you seem to be an expert on the rules, any input?

[horn17]

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S18271.shtml?cat=7

HS SPORTS WRAP LAX COVERAGE....LOAD AND MOVE IT 6 MINUTES IN...

A COUPLE OF LAST WEEKS BOYS/ GIRLS HIGHLIGHTS

[laxalum16]

From Duluth (Sunday)

Rochester JM/Century-12 Duluth/Superior-0
Rochester Mayo/Lourdes-16 Duluth/Superior-5

I want to thank all the teams that made the trip north for a great weekend of high school lacrosse. I'd also like the thank all the refs that worked extremely hard to cover a lot of games and a scheduling nightmare.

[LaxRef]

Question- why are goals getting waived off by illegal stick penalties? I do not know how it is done in Minnesota right now, but out here the stick checks (4 per game) come at the end of quarters, not immediately after goals.

It seems like quite the momentum killer to check sticks after goals. Why not check them during normal stoppages in play like quarters?

Also, if a stick is found illegal after a quarter, all of that player's goals are not called off then. Why are the goals called off if the stick is found to be illegal immediately following a score? It seems like this type of testing is more trouble than it is worth...

Ideas?

Goals are always wiped out if the stick is found to be illegal before play restarts because it is known with certaintly that the goal was scored with an illegal stick. Once play restarts, you don't know is something during play changed the stick dimensions. That's just the way the rules have been set up.

And the reason to check at random times instead of between quarters is the same as in NCAA play: because every player who is knowingly playing with an illegal crosse gets it off the field just before the checks if they know when the checks are coming.

The officials in Minnesota have been instructed to use the same mechanic for checks as in NCAA, but with fewer checks per game because the HS game is shorter. The checks really don't add much time to the game once you get used to doing them since we can do them after goals (when it takes teams time to get set anyway) and going into timeouts.

Note that the NCAA and NFHS rules on stick checks are almost identical except that the NFHS requires all equipment checked at least once per half and the NCAA only requires the crosse be inspected. How those rules are enforced is an issue of mechanics, and the NFHS has no official authority on mechanics, so it is typical for NCAA mechanics to trickle down to NFHS ball.

There will be a US Lacrosse Mechanics Manual next year, which will cover all levels of play (with the proviso that NCAA often mandates different mechanics at the last minute for its games). I'll be writing it this summer, based on the work of John Hill.

[LaxRef]

In response to Dan's inquiry, The amount of stick checks has been lifted per game. I believe it is 7 or 8 now. The refs are taking them immediately after the first several goals of the game. If the stick is illegal, goal is waived. Obviously because you can't play with an illegal stick.

Laxref, you seem to be an expert on the rules, any input?

Rule is as always: at least one per team per half. We've been told to try to get two per team during the first half and one or two during the second.

[Sonny]

How come the (sanctioned) Minnesota boys teams aren't playing NFHS rules? Why are they playing modified NCAA rules?

[horn17]

BSM 13 Mathomedi 3 - from Monday

[LaxRef]

How come the (sanctioned) Minnesota boys teams aren't playing NFHS rules? Why are they playing modified NCAA rules?

Who said they aren't playing NFHS rules? They are.

As I said, the rules for NCAA and NFHS are almost identical with respect to random checks, except in NFHS all equipment is inspected instead of the crosse. How that is enforced is an issue of mechanics, not rules.

[DanGenck]

Thank you for the clarification.

[Pinball]

maybe it is just me but dont you think the random stick checks during the game take a lot away from the "flow". Lets say Team A scores a big goal, fans get all pumped up, bench in exploding, then the ref grabs a stick from team A and team B. The refs run through there checking of the crosse while everyone stands around and twiddles their thumbs, both sticks are legal. All momentum is lost for the bench and crowd.

[horn17]

I disagree...they have it down to a fine science...I was worried about that intially (slowing down a flow), but it only is only about 30 sec - 1 min.....which isnt even noticed...

Great job by the refs to get it done quickly, and correctly without causing a delay...

[Gopherlax29]

Saw Edina beat Wayzata?

Also, have you guys seen the dsection assignments? How come EP is never with Jefferson anymore, they border each other and hae a nice rivalry. Instead Jefferson is stuck with Blake BSM (I think) etc...