3/28/07 Division A Poll is out!

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Postby Beta on Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:04 pm

Ravaging Beast wrote:If their season doesn't really count, does that mean that their players get another year of eligibility?

TheFlow. It's kind of hard to take your opinion seriously when you don't have any reputation stars under your name. It seems like you just came on here to complain about your team and not the poll as a whole.


Ohhh good question...but Im gonna guess "no".
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Postby CATLAX MAN on Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:04 pm

Ravaging Beast wrote:If their season doesn't really count, does that mean that their players get another year of elegibility?


I don't think so. Their season still counts. They still play the games. They still count in the standings. The games do not count as forfeits. They are just ineligible for post-season play and participation in the MCLA poll.

sculaxcoach wrote:During this season eligibility checks, it was determined that a Chapman player competed in games last season while he was not enrolled carrying 12 units. Therefore that player was declared ineligible for the 2006 season and thus must sit out the 2007 season. The team was also penalized for allowing him to compete during the season while he was inelgible. That is all the information the Board will release at this or any time in the future.

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John Paul wrote:There is no need for the general public to know every detail of every case. We have no interest in dragging teams through the mud, but more importantly if directors know the situation they can pass along the information to coaches if there is something important for all to know.

In this case, this was a WCLL issue first. The EB reviewed the case and found no reason to overturn it. The only sanction we added was removal from the poll, something that has been done in every eligibility case in the past. Chapman and the WCLL was notified. Poll voters were notified (not of details of the case). The BOD will be notified in detail once we get everything together for them.
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Postby Ravaging Beast on Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:15 pm

Beta wrote:
Ravaging Beast wrote:If their season doesn't really count, does that mean that their players get another year of eligibility?

TheFlow. It's kind of hard to take your opinion seriously when you don't have any reputation stars under your name. It seems like you just came on here to complain about your team and not the poll as a whole.


Ohhh good question...but Im gonna guess "no".


I guess still have something to play for. They get a chance to ruin the season for some teams if their games still get factored into the polls. Do they?
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Postby CATLAX MAN on Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:28 pm

At a minimum, the games still count for the divisional races in the WCLL.
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Postby scooter on Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:35 pm

i know I'm not privey to any the info on Chapman, but could someone provide the smallest bit of insight on what happened last season?
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Postby CATLAX MAN on Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:40 pm

Read the third post above yours. That's all anyone knows and will know.
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Postby laxative on Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:47 pm

I don't think it takes Sherlock Holmes to figure out who isn't playing this year.

Tough luck for Chapman. They are a tough squad and would have gone far.
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Postby wheelz33 on Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:08 pm

when was this decision made? if i was a player there, and i knew i was going to be in school for 5 years, i would have liked the chance to sit out this year and play my 5th year, personally anyways...
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Postby Theflow on Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:21 pm

Ravaging Beast wrote:If their season doesn't really count, does that mean that their players get another year of eligibility?

TheFlow. It's kind of hard to take your opinion seriously when you don't have any reputation stars under your name. It seems like you just came on here to complain about your team and not the poll as a whole.


Wow, the longer I have been here complaining, the more serious you would take me? That is pretty funny. It is a nice old boys club going on here, but I love hearing new people's opinions on this board, and it cannot be assumed that if you haven't been here since the stone age that you cannot make valid points. I have been involved in this league for 7 years, and I hae seen a few things too. I don't post for one team, but I do have a WCLL bias, since that is my league. This situation is just very interesting to me, especiallys since I have seen Chapman play a lot this year. We all want to know more about this case, and it sounds like we will as it is fought by their team. If there are flaws in the WCLL or MCLA rules or sysems, it should be spoken about in public. What if the ruling is unjust and unfounded? Maybe it is not, but we only have one side right now. Just because the system is there, does not mean it is perfect. There are always special cases and each case should be looked in an open and fair manner. It would be good to hear Chapman's side as well. That is all I am saying. I think everyone here has the best of intentions for the league and the teams. This does not mean the system is and will ever be flawless. I thought this league was about helping kids play lacrosse. Should we not hear both sides?

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Postby Jolly Roger on Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:41 pm

Theflow wrote: I think the point is being missed. They are not being punished by the league for the regular season, as per the eligibility ruling, BUT the polls are a reflection of regular season play. Not letting them go to playoffs is one thing, but this means that no matter what they do in the regular season this year, there will be no recognition, even in that final poll from #'s 17-25. For the kids playing, and for the team going into next year, that number means more than you think.


So what about these guys from last year who were all (allegedly) misplaced in the poll by Chapman's (alleged) misconduct. You have 6 different teams (3 from the WCLL) who were denied appropriate ranking. What do you say to those teams?

5-1-06
20. Chapman University - 168 pts
21. Texas - 134 pts
22. Georgia - 93 pts
23. Illinois - 79 pts
24. Georgia Tech - 74 pts
25. Texas Tech - 61 pts

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: UCLA (51 pts)


4-19-06
18. Chapman University - 225 pts
19. Northeastern University - 162 pts
20. Georgia Tech - 142 pts
21. Texas Tech - 137 pts
22. Michigan State - 122 pts
23. Georgia - 98 pts
24. UCLA - 81 pts
25. Connecticut - 50 pts

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: New Hampshire (37 pts)

4-5-06
20. Chapman University - 189 pts
21. Michigan State - 152 pts
22. UCLA - 112 pts
23. Texas Tech - 53 pts
24. Illinois - 47 pts
25. Texas - 42 pts

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Chico State (33 pts)

3-22-06
17. Chapman University - 300 pts
18. Northeastern University - 283 pts
19. Oakland University - 229 pts
20. Arizona State - 140 pts
21. Michigan State - 112 pts
22. UCLA - 98 pts
23. Chico State - 77 pts
24. Texas - 63 pts
25. Texas Tech - 60 pts

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Illinois (57 pts)

3-8-06
20. Chapman University - 148 pts
21. Michigan State - 112 pts
22. Texas Tech - 103 pts
23. Arizona State - 95 pts
24. Boston College - 86 pts
25. UCLA - 52 pts

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Texas (47 pts)

2-22-06
14. Chapman University - 340 pts
15. Arizona - 322 pts
16. Northeastern University - 299 pts
17. Cal Poly SLO - 266 pts
18. Chico State - 204 pts
19. Utah - 197 pts
20. Boston College - 192 pts
21. Minnesota-Duluth - 177 pts
22. Michigan State - 170 pts
23. Texas Tech - 125 pts
24. Simon Fraser University - 59 pts
25. Minnesota - 45 pts

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Arizona State (37 pts)
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Postby Theflow on Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:02 pm

Again, missing the point. Just want to hear both sides of the story, as I am sure many others do too. Maybe there is more than we know that will show us they were eligible last year. I don't know. There should not be any more hypotheticals mentioned until we have more info. Right now, there is very little out there. I am sure there will be more soon now that the cat is out of the bag.
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Postby laxfan25 on Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:03 pm

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Postby mholtz on Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:08 pm

Theflow wrote:I had no idea you were on any executive board Catlaxman? You sound like you have all the answers and assume that there were no flaws to the WCLL or MCLA decisions. They always say they are precedence driven, but this polls decision does not seem to have any relavant precedence to pull from. I just hope that all the facts come forward from both sides. Sounds like Chapman is going to fight it, so I am sure that will happen.


Actually, a few years back Michigan State was removed from the polls, and from post season play for self reporting a player that dropped a class to move below 12 credits. There is precedence.
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Postby Hugh Nunn on Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:15 pm

Theflow wrote:
Ravaging Beast wrote:If their season doesn't really count, does that mean that their players get another year of eligibility?

TheFlow. It's kind of hard to take your opinion seriously when you don't have any reputation stars under your name. It seems like you just came on here to complain about your team and not the poll as a whole.


Wow, the longer I have been here complaining, the more serious you would take me? That is pretty funny. It is a nice old boys club going on here, but I love hearing new people's opinions on this board, and it cannot be assumed that if you haven't been here since the stone age that you cannot make valid points. I have been involved in this league for 7 years, and I hae seen a few things too. I don't post for one team, but I do have a WCLL bias, since that is my league. This situation is just very interesting to me, especiallys since I have seen Chapman play a lot this year. We all want to know more about this case, and it sounds like we will as it is fought by their team. If there are flaws in the WCLL or MCLA rules or sysems, it should be spoken about in public. What if the ruling is unjust and unfounded? Maybe it is not, but we only have one side right now. Just because the system is there, does not mean it is perfect. There are always special cases and each case should be looked in an open and fair manner. It would be good to hear Chapman's side as well. That is all I am saying. I think everyone here has the best of intentions for the league and the teams. This does not mean the system is and will ever be flawless. I thought this league was about helping kids play lacrosse. Should we not hear both sides?

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If you have been involved with this league for seven years, what is your main user name? I find it difficult to believe that 2/28/07 is the day you finally decided to break your long silence. Credibility and respect have nothing to do with how many stars you have, but it's pretty apparent that this is your "anonymous" screen name through which you feel you can call the BOD on the carpet. But this is just one man's opinion, I generally hold nihilism in low regard.
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Postby Theflow on Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:15 pm

mholtz wrote:
Theflow wrote:I had no idea you were on any executive board Catlaxman? You sound like you have all the answers and assume that there were no flaws to the WCLL or MCLA decisions. They always say they are precedence driven, but this polls decision does not seem to have any relavant precedence to pull from. I just hope that all the facts come forward from both sides. Sounds like Chapman is going to fight it, so I am sure that will happen.


Actually, a few years back Michigan State was removed from the polls, and from post season play for self reporting a player that dropped a class to move below 12 credits. There is precedence.


What year, and were they suspended from the polls in the same season that it took place?
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