MCLA-A Top 25 Results: March 12-18th

[DG]

Can anyone compare UMD and Sonoma State technical and athletic abilities? If anyone has seen both these teams play, who would you say is better? and why? (please arguments that don't include who beat who)

I saw BYU/SSU live, and BYU/UMD on TV, so take my view with a grain of salt...

Comparing SSU and UMD:

SSU was more athletic, and their long poles looked better. They also looked better on rides/clears than UMD.

UMD looked a little better in terms of stick skills, especially in tight. UMD might have a slight edge at the faceoff X.

Both teams worked very hard on ground balls, so no edge to either one there.

Both teams are also very well coached. I've seen Doug's teams play a number of times, but have never seen Rob's team play. I was impressed with a couple of things UMD did, particularly on man-up.

Both teams definitely deserve to be in the top 10, IMO. Based on results since the last poll, UMD should probably be between 7 and 9, and Noma should probably stay at 5 or 6.

The funny thing is that we would not be having this conversation if UMD beat Utah. They would have stayed right where they are in the polls because everyone would have seen the 1 goal losses to teams ranked above them, and kept them at #5 or 6.

DG

[Duffy34]

All you people who care and worry so much about the ranking are probably the same kids who get mad after a win because you only had 1 goal and not 2.

Actually, we're the "kids" who vote in the poll, and we like to bounce ideas off one another.

Are you just going to show up in every thread to tell us to stop talking about the polls? This is the Polls forum. This is where polls are discussed.

Actually i do think the polls should be discussed, but in a respectable manner. this is not "discussing" the polls, this thread is bickering and arguing and people seem to get real angry over what other people say. if you are the ones that decide the polls then you should be mature enough to do it without sounding like a bunch of sorority girls.

[Ravaging Beast]

I find it hard to justify placing UMD at #5 or #6 or even #7 because they have nothing to judge them on the rest of the year unless they lose to an unranked team. If they win all of their games the rest of the season as a #16 (hypothetically) they would not drop or move up. They are being given a high ranking based on three close losses and a win against Cal Poly in the beginning of the season. Seems silly to me. There will be many more deserving teams to come as the season progresses and hopefully they will be bumped back to their rightful place.

[slider]

Let me start by saying that I think that FSU is probably a very solid team. I'm using them as an example in this post, but I am not intending to question their place in the poll. That being said, I don't believe that playing games against NCAA teams should have anything to do with our poll. Games against those teams provide voters with no basis for comparison with other MCLA teams. How do we know how Bentley or Hartwick would do against a full MCLA schedule? If playing those teams is a priority to certain programs, that's fine, but we shouldn't give teams credit for playing a "tough" schedule because of a few games against NCAA teams.

[Mr. Jefferson]

Ok, Ok, how about an objective older opinion, as opposed to the bias obviously out there by RB.....

I agree UMD does fall, but not out of the top ten....and I agree, I saw the BYU/ UMD game, and although they lost, they played tough, and gave quite the scare to BYU and CSU, yes they lost to a team they "should have" beat, but they didnt, kudos to Utah on a big W to hopefully build momentum for the rest of their season....

As regards to the other the other teams, FSU will probaly move up based on record alone, as they should at this point in the season - but im not going to jump them to 5 because of the NCAA temas they've played..those d2/3 teams they are playing could be looked at questionably...those teams arent good, and would lose to most of the teams in the the top 15 - so lets go ahead and not take a look at that...I know this, Ive seen em....

Northeastern should move up...Noma stays in the 5 -10, Utah probaly jumps to 9-10, USCB 5-10...the big key here is that the WCLL is not as strong this year, and we have to look at that objectively...yes the competition is still strong, and stronger on a game by game basis vs. some other leagues - but you cant fault some of these teams for their confrences (league games are required)

I really think you have to keep in mind that the same people that made the argument that CSU and the UMD game was close because.......used the 4 games in whatever days excuse for CSU not throttling a "team of hockey players" (taken from the BYU announcers) - why couldnt that hold true for UMD as well? I dont know , didnt watch the UTAH game, but everyone loses, unless your the Ducks right now....

so for summary, UMD is good, better than ever anticipated, and will stay in the 6-10 range, Northeastern should move up , so should FSU, but CU, NOMA, UCSB, UTAH, UMD should complete the 5-10 with out arguement...

And now for my now theatening suggestion of the day.....

[Duffy34]

Duffy34 - say something postive for once...I have looked at all your posts, you need to find some light music and scented candles, or get some fiber in your diet bro.....(add a smile face to the posts - a lot less threating)...[/quote]

Thanks for the advice grandpa. I just find it hard to believe that in this "college lacrosse" forum people bicker and complain the way they have been, my posts have basically been just about that. My posts have not been that negative. And now for something positive, I do believe UMD is a good team (look at my other posts) but I just found it almost funny that everyone was congradulating them for lossing. yes they played well adn gave BYU and CSU close games and gave them a scare but that really doesnt matter. And dont tell me UMD is "supposed" to lose to the teams they did. Lacrosse is a sport where any team can win on any given day. Look at the DI results this year. People are already talking about the other poll and there is a lot of lacrosse to be played before it comes out. What if UMD losses their next few games. What if Oregon losses during their Arizona trip? What if CU wins during thier Arizona trip? There are a lot of what if's that will play out before the next poll. What I have said in my posts is that people need to relax with regards to this poll talk. Like I said above i do believe that the polls should be discussed but not in the way they have been.

[Mr. Jefferson]

Duffy34 - say something postive for once...I have looked at all your posts, you need to find some light music and scented candles, or get some fiber in your diet bro.....(add a smile face to the posts - a lot less threating)...

Thanks for the advice grandpa. I just find it hard to believe that in this "college lacrosse" forum people bicker and complain the way they have been, my posts have basically been just about that. My posts have not been that negative. And now for something positive, I do believe UMD is a good team (look at my other posts) but I just found it almost funny that everyone was congradulating them for lossing. yes they played well adn gave BYU and CSU close games and gave them a scare but that really doesnt matter. And dont tell me UMD is "supposed" to lose to the teams they did. Lacrosse is a sport where any team can win on any given day. Look at the DI results this year. People are already talking about the other poll and there is a lot of lacrosse to be played before it comes out. What if UMD losses their next few games. What if Oregon losses during their Arizona trip? What if CU wins during thier Arizona trip? There are a lot of what if's that will play out before the next poll. What I have said in my posts is that people need to relax with regards to this poll talk. Like I said above i do believe that the polls should be discussed but not in the way they have been

.

the forums are for stirring the pot, engaging discussion, and PR for your favorite teams or team - and i wasn't using the supposed to lose argument, I did however expect them to beat Utah, and how you get that , I have no idea....agreed, lots of "what if's" still out there, and i just think you can use a bit of a different tone with your posts, read them, they are a bit attacking (not trying to push your buttons here just telling you how it reads), but you'll figure that out as you get wise beyond your years like me the "grandpa"-

[sohotrightnow]

Old sage, you should take your own advice:

1.arguement
2.stiring
3.teling
4.wasnt

Too bad there is not a grammar function:

the forums are for stiring the pot, engaging discussion, and PR for your favorite teams or team - and i wasnt using the supposed to lose arguement, I did however expect them to beat Utah, and how you get that , I have no idea....

???

[Ravaging Beast]

so for summary, UMD is good, better than ever anticipated, and will stay in the 6-10 range, Northeastern should move up , so should FSU, but CU, NOMA, UCSB, UTAH, UMD should complete the 5-10 with out arguement...

Sounds good to me. All I'm trying to say is that UMD shouldn't get any credit for losing.

[Mr. Jefferson]

Old sage, you should take your own advice:

1.arguement
2.stiring
3.teling
4.wasnt

Too bad there is not a grammar function:

the forums are for stiring the pot, engaging discussion, and PR for your favorite teams or team - and i wasnt using the supposed to lose arguement, I did however expect them to beat Utah, and how you get that , I have no idea....

???

nice, you caught my sarcasm!!!!! i thought it would be funny to end with a joke!!! (note my edit to the corrections)

[Mr. Jefferson]

so for summary, UMD is good, better than ever anticipated, and will stay in the 6-10 range, Northeastern should move up , so should FSU, but CU, NOMA, UCSB, UTAH, UMD should complete the 5-10 with out arguement...

Sounds good to me. All I'm trying to say is that UMD shouldn't get any credit for losing.

agreed, but what would you say to a team that lost to Oregon by 1 vs. a team that lost by 10?.....a hypothetical team - and discussion topic...

would you assume one is better than the other?

[Sonny]

Duffy and Mr. Jefferson,

As both of you are new posters to the Message Board, I suggest you read all of the Message Board Rules:
http://forums.collegelax.us/viewtopic.php?t=27

You were suppose to read them when you originally registered, but I doubt that happened. Since both of your posting methods leave something to be desired - I will give you both a snippet here of Rule #1:

1. KEEP IT CIVIL; DO NOT "FLAME"; ATTACKS ON MCLA TEAMS/CONFERENCES/PLAYERS NOT ALLOWED; NO CURSE WORDS ALLOWED
Do not personalize any post. Debate vs. flaming: This is a friendly place. Debate is encouraged, but flaming is not allowed. Flaming is personally attacking someone. For example, saying "Any idiot knows that isn't true" is flaming because the person was just called an idiot, while "I passionately disagree" is not flaming even though it's rather emotionally charged. “Attacks” on MCLA players, coaches, teams, conferences, referees, and/or administrators are not allowed under any circumstances. Finally no curse words are allowed on the message forums. Inserting characters for curse words is not an acceptable substitute!

Bottom line -- If you can’t make your point with out disparaging another member of the MCLA community, then do not make it on CollegeLAX. Treat others as you would like to be treated.

You can stir the pot elsewhere. And don't make things personal.

I hope I'm clear.

[Mr. Jefferson]

oh no, this is just friendly... i like Duff, nothing personal...just some good natured talk and discussion - i like his opinions, i just think they read a bit negative - probaly not intended that way , and neither were mine.....we need some humor around here....

[Duffy34]

oh no, this is just friendly... i like Duff, nothing personal...just some good natured talk and discussion - i like his opinions, i just think they read a bit negative - probaly not intended that way , and neither were mine.....we need some humor around here....

You are right my elder, wiser, forum writer. I honestly did not try to be negative, but you are right, they do read like that. I will work on it.

[Mr. Jefferson]

end them all with this ......