Discuss, report WCLL games ,February 16th-19th.

Postby CATLAX MAN on Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:51 pm

sohotrightnow wrote:Quite different here. How old are most baseball writers and journalists? How many years have they been following the sport?


What does that have to do with anything? You are just way off base here. It's like making a statement that all police are scum.........oh, wait, you did make that statement. Bad example.
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Postby WaterBoy on Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:02 pm

Ouch.

I will be the first to admit when I've made a mistake or a misread. If you would like an example, please look at the teams that I picked to win this past week in my Picks... we'll just say that I did not fare well.

I'm a little surprised at the opinion that because I never stepped on a field that I don't know the game of lacrosse.

I was introduced to the game while in high school by my cousin, who played and then later coached for the CU Buffs. HIs name was Ryan Colwell and he played in goal.

My freshman year in college, I went to UCSD as a person who had not played lacrosse before, but had spent the summer before intending to play, and was quite excited. One week before the beginning of the school year, I tore a ligament in my ankle and was obviously deemed ineligible to play for the team until I could pass a UCSD physical. I showed up to every practice, suited with the team, and learned everything I could. One week before my scheduled date of medical clearance, I broke the same leg and re-injured the ligaments. I got the news from several doctors that I was out for the season.

The following year I showed up again to start up with the team, and practiced with the team for several weeks until the time of the physical, which I failed based upon the previous injuries to my ankle. I had the option to have surgery upon my ankle, but as the surgery would have required immobility for several months, I put my responsibilities as a student ahead of Lacrosse. It was not an easy decision.

For the remainder of that season, I worked for the UCSD lacrosse team as a volunteer, traveling to all of their games and filming, and starting to get involved in the message boards. My junior year (basically last year) I got increasingly involved in attending as many games as possible in the southern California region and in the processes on the forum, including picking up the volunteer position of moderating the picks on point section and conducting the online poll. These activities continue now.

The fact that I did not play lacrosse is certainly something that will effect my perspective of the games I watch. I don't think I've ever made a claim that I understand things better than anyone else. I have offered my own personal observations, and using those and other information I have available I have tried to make predictions and statements about upcoming games. Comb my picks, if I don't have anything nice to say, I generally don't say anything at all. I can't think of any posts that I have made that are negative in any context (tongue in cheek aside).

I don't ask or expect respect from anyone, I simply try to give things a fair shake. I don't think I understand an attempt to discredit me in general- I love the game of lacrosse and if I could have played it I would have. I've kept myself as involved in the sport in general as is possible and immersed myself in the culture of the game.

If you don't want to read what I write, don't read it. I will continue to volunteer my time until the point in time at which I am asked to step down. The idea that only someone who has played lacrosse can know about the sport is an affront to most of the fans that stand on the sidelines and cheer players on. It's a growing sport, and I, for one at least, hope that it grows faster than players can play it.

I would appreciate it if my credentials were not an issue in the WCLL board. Quite frankly, if you don't put credit into my personal predictions, don't read them. You're not paying for my input- stop acting like you're entitled to a refund.
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Postby sohotrightnow on Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:02 pm

Wow, nice deflection O'Reilly! I try to make a reasoned argument in a non-hostile manner and your rebuttal skirts off topic. Anyways, the point is, everybody grows up with baseball. Baseball writers have been following the sport for sometimes upwards of 30+ years, and in most cases, probably played the game at some level. Lacrosse is a sport that is in a different category, as is rugby and other sports. How many non-rugby players break down the sport and offer so-called "expertise?" Explain to me how this does not register with you? It makes absolute sense for people who have not been around the game or involved in the game to not fully understand it.

Here's another question for you: How many analysts on TV have never played the sport which they are analyzing? Is there not a reason why there are analysts and play-by-play people? I mean, hello...who provides more information during an NFL game, Ron Jaworksi or Tony Kornheiser?

The issue at hand here is that I, personally, would not listen to somebody who has not played or coached the sport of lacrosse. My other point is that people should not be surprised that Waterboy's lacrosse insight is not the end-all, be-all. In fact, that is my main contention. I have nothing against his posts, but in the grand scheme of things, his insight is not that helpful to me, that's why I am amazed when people are shocked that he got his picks wrong or thought that Chapman was going to be a powerhouse at the beginning of the season.

I wait with bated breath for your response CatLaxMan.
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Postby CATLAX MAN on Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:16 pm

I have said what I have to say on this topic. Your words speak volumes for themselves.

Waterboy, as far as I am concerned, your opinion and input continues to be valued on this board.
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Postby sohotrightnow on Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:25 pm

I have said what I have to say on this topic.


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Postby iamtheman on Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:43 pm

I too appreciate the comments from Water boy. Keep them comin...I still think the team to beat in the WCLL is SB until proven otherwise...Is LMU a sleeper? or could they make some noise
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Postby RopeNoRope on Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:44 pm

Don't even listen to this Waterboy, your posts are insightful and generaly on point.

Not to mention the Flordia area isn't exactly a PowerHouse of LAX creating "analysts" with more credability than you, or anyone on the left coast for that matter.
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Postby sohotrightnow on Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:47 pm

Not to mention the Flordia area isn't exactly a PowerHouse of LAX creating "analysts" with more credability than you


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Postby buffalowill on Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:54 pm

I enjoy reading waterboy's weekly assessments and thoughtful input. He offers some much needed unbiased thoughts on MCLA Lacrosse.
Furthermore, I don't think waterboy's preseason assessment of Chapman was so far off. In a league in which one or two star-calliber players can make or break a teams season Chapman seemed poised for a big run thus year. If you don't believe me look what Nick Dean, Tim Casey, John Wiley and Peter Hahn did for their respective teams in recent years. True, the UCSBs and Sonomas have consistently had better overall "teams", one or two great players has made a difference for the middle of the pack teams.
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Postby codenthal on Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:06 pm

I thought this forum was designed to allow individuals the chance to look at what people across the country know about their regions especially if others cannot see these teams play. Regardless of how someone picks, at least it creates discussion and if there is hope in building this sport it is impossible to exclude those that didn't play. I like the picks on point column and I believe Sonny put out information asking us to keep this civil and not attack individuals. If you disagree with someone's reasoning on picks, simply state your reasons for going a different direction and let everyone else judge your knowledge.
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Postby OAKS on Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:03 pm

Not to mention the Flordia area isn't exactly a PowerHouse of LAX creating "analysts" with more credability than you



FYI, sohotrightnow is in California
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Postby CPLaxGM on Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:54 pm

C'mon sohotrightnow, what's with the personal vendetta? Waterboy, regardless of his lacrosse playing experience, volunteers his own time to initiate some useful and entertaining discussion regarding MCLA lacrosse on this website. I don't think he has ever stated, inferred, or described himself as some kind of paragon of strategical lacrosse wisdom, he's a fan offering his take on upcoming games, which is by nature an imprecise venture. At this point in the evolution of the MCLA, press coverage/game analysis is almost entirely conducted by volunteers, and I don't see this changing anytime soon. Instead of condemning these volunteers for a less than perfect understanding of the game (feel free to let me know who it is that has a perfect understanding), we should be patting them on the back for their efforts and thanking them for the extra exposure that they help generate for MCLA lacrosse.
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Postby Rob Graff on Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:59 pm

Well said Coach Odenthal & GM Lea.
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Postby SDSULAX on Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:10 pm

1. KEEP IT CIVIL; DO NOT "FLAME"; ATTACKS ON MCLA TEAMS/CONFERENCES/PLAYERS NOT ALLOWED; NO CURSE WORDS ALLOWED
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Bottom line -- If you can’t make your point with out disparaging another member of the MCLA community, then do not make it on CollegeLAX. Treat others as you would like to be treated. WaterBoy is a member of this community.
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Postby sklax on Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:12 am

First off, this has gone on way to long and has nothing to do with the WCLL. I know im new to this but i have been reading the forums for a few years, and sohotrightnow I have played and still play now so maybe you'll take me seriously. I dont think WaterBoy's analysis of Chapman is far off, they are a very good team just young so they make alot of mistakes. Accoding to pick on point Chapman was favored by most people this past weekend. Also to discredit your statement about WaterBoy not playing the fact is if you care about the sport its not necessary to play. The Cal Poly womens lacrosse team has won 6 consecutive WDIA National Championships and thier coach for the past 3 years has never played lacrosse, mens or womens, just to show you its possible to be knowledgeable about a sport that you have never played.
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