Historic 2008 Election?

[Jester]

Not too long ago, Newsweek ran a cover of Hillary Clinton with the title "Love Her or Hate, there is no in-between" or something in that vein. I didn't get it then, I didn't get it when "her" health care initiative bombed, I don't get it now. Why do people care that much about her? I never thought she was that big a deal that I had to love her or hate her. Can someone on either side of that offer me something fair?

More on topic, I just heard that Bill Richardson, D-Gov. of New Mexico is moving towards making a run for president. Of all the candidates I've been seeing recently, I think he would be the best person to actual set a national agenda.

[laxfan25]

"Bill and Jill went up the hill. 'Jill, honey, did you take your pill today'".

With credit to A.D. Clay...

"Jill and Bill went up the hill
They each had a buck and a quarter...
Jill came down with $2.50"

I also like his version of Hickory, Dickory Dock....

[jessexy]

looks like the top 3 Dem candidates are going to be minorities. this interests me quite a bit. dont know how good a chance John Edwards stands cuz people may link him still with Kerry and that wasnt too successful.

Is Guiliani considered a minority? dont know. ive also heard rumblings that Condi Rice might run and that would make for an historic ballot with storng candidates on both sides that arent white men....

[Kyle Berggren]

Mitt Romney will be interesting.... A Mormon running for the conservative right? He's got a business background & and has a track record of getting things done, but will the good old boys vote for him?

[laxfan25]

Mitt Romney will be interesting.... A Mormon running for the conservative right? He's got a business background & and has a track record of getting things done, but will the good old boys vote for him?

He does have a major advantage - each of his twelve wives can cover a different key state when the race really starts to heat up!

[Kyle Berggren]

He'll definitely have financial support if it does happen....

Mitt Resume:

Former Bain Company CEO (Consulting)
Founder Bain Capital (Financial Services)
CEO Winter Olympics 2002
BYU Valedictorian
JD/MBA Harvard Law/Harvard Business
Baker Scholar

Health Care:
He signed legislation that requires all state residents to have healthcare (including a pool of money for those that cannot afford it).

Education:
The top 25% of Mass. HS students receive free in-state tuition to public schools.

Fiscal Policy:
Seems to be hotly debated, but he claims to have balanced a $3 Billion deficit by closing Tax-Loop holes for corporations, raising licensing fees, & not raising taxes. Whatever the truth is, Mass. was in financial trouble & now they're in better shape. He ran his policy like a consulting firm would, cutting employees & combining agencies in an effort to be more efficient.

Gay Marriage:
He says No, & has been very active in legislation to block gay marriage.

Death Penalty:
All for it.

Abortion:
He is against abortion, however believes it's okay in cases of rape, incest, or risk to the mother's life.

Stem Cell Research:
For research, against the cloning of human embryos for research.

Illegal Immigration:
Romney vetoed a bill to allow illegal aliens instate tuition.

Gun Control:
Signed a permanent ban on Assault Weapons in Mass.

Minimum Wage:
Proposed indexing it to inflation, vetoed a bill with a substantial raise ($1.25) saying research shows it costs jobs.


I'm off the soap box, but this guy has really taken my interest. If he would keep his own opinion on gay marriage to himself (& I'll learn more about his abortion policies) he could be my guy. I got most of this through Google searches & wikipedia.

[Adam Gamradt]

Cliff,

Obama has double the public service that W had when he ran for President. It was convenient for the Republicans, because it's difficult to debate a politician with little to no record of substance.

In 2008, I don't think this is the case for Senator Obama. He has managed to do quite a bit in his ten years of public service.

Here is a list of 152 bills he sponsored during his two years in the 109th congress.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/? ... ma++Barack))+01763))

Here is a list of 417 bill he cosponsored during his two years in the 109th congress.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/? ... ma++Barack))+01763))

He is up to 8 and 34, respectively, in the first three weeks of the 110th session.

The attempt to label of Senator Obama as inexperienced is a matter of conveinence and political expediency.

If he had four terms as a senator, he'd be criticized for being just another Washington insider.

While young, Senator Obama is not a political neophyte.

[StrykerFSU]

Romney is impressive, thanks for doing the research.

[Sonny]

this is a rumor that is going around right now that the Hillary Clinton camp wants to carefully check out Barack Obama's religious background, that is, his Muslim heritage.

I heard a rumor that Barack's REAL name is actually Osama, and that he changed it about 10 years ago. Fox News said that a geneological check on his family tree shows that the he and the other Osama (B.L.) have a common heritage going way back, and that both have ties to Iraq, back when it was Mesopotamia. Supposedly their great, great, great, etc. grandparents were A'Daam and A'ieve.
More news and film at 11.

Obama's real name is actually Hussein. And it's not a rumor that Hillary's camp is investigating Obama's background:
http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Obama_2.htm

[Beta]

Osama Hussein...could there be another worse combination that would scare off American voters that are hung up on names?

Osama Hilary Hussein-Buckner-Fratelli?

[OAKS]

Osama Hussein...could there be another worse combination that would scare off American voters that are hung up on names?

Fratelli?

The bad guys from the Goonies?

[Beta]

Haha yeah...the evilest of the evil...cept Sloth post-pizza, he was ok.

[Adam Gamradt]

It's not a rumor because Insight Magazine says so? That story is crap, for it's implications, even more so than for it's lack of sources. I can't wait until the Fox News crowd turns their paranoid ire toward Senator Obama because his name sounds funny.

Sonny, are you actually implying he changed his name? Or do you go even further, and suggest he was raised as a radical muslim?

His full name is Barak Hussein Obama.

I'm sure pretty much every aspect of his life will be examined when he announces his candidacy on Feb. 10th. I'm pretty sure this isn't the last slander of his good name as well.

Here's a rebuttle that is worth the read.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 0587.html/

And before someone else gets to it, here is the rebuttle, of the rebuttle from Insight.

http://www.insightmag.com/ME2/dirmod.as ... 2A5C9756E3

[sohotrightnow]

Well, well, what do you know?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/ ... index.html

[Sonny]

I'm not implying anything Adam. Just sharing what I read elsewhere.

And no one is slandering his name. These are legitimate concerns since he is already in the public arena and is annoucing his candidacy for the White House. If he changed his name from a Muslim name and attended a Muslim school, I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that the general US public would like to learn those factoids, if true, in the post 9/11 environment.

For the record, Insight Magazine stands by their sources. He can expect far worse scrutiny from the public, the tradional mainstream press, & the bloggers should he earn the Democractic Nomination.

P.S. I can't wait to see how the press treats his previous "drug" use. I'm sure they will pursue those story lines as aggressively as they did for W.