Warrantee dropping on Jan 1

by **cjwilhelmi** on Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:04 pm

Just heard from a very reliable source that starting January 1st that all manufacturers except for Gait will be dropping their warranties on lacrosse heads from 1 year to 6 months.

Just a heads up.

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by **Brent Burns** on Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:08 pm

For you all, any thoughts on the reasons for the warranties going from 1 year to 6 months. Just a curious question.

by **Jolly Roger** on Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:53 pm

Brent Burns wrote:For you all, any thoughts on the reasons for the warranties going from 1 year to 6 months. Just a curious question.

Ability to use cheaper materials to build in obsolescence, and as a result, sell more sticks.

by **laxfan25** on Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:04 pm

Jolly Roger wrote:
Brent Burns wrote:For you all, any thoughts on the reasons for the warranties going from 1 year to 6 months. Just a curious question.

Ability to use cheaper materials to build in obsolescence, and as a result, sell more sticks.

J.R., you are such a cynic!

by **Andy Sharp** on Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:40 am

When in Detroit, do as the Detroiters do

by **horn17** on Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:36 pm

Warrior / Brine/ STX has had this policy in place for vendors well before date, its intresting they are acutally doing it for the consumers...

by **Zeuslax** on Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:48 pm

Just a heads up.

No pun intended right.........

Does anyone know or have any knowledge of the materials/compounds that the manufactures are using for heads? Are they solely using plastic polymers? I can't help but wonder if they are playing with the mixture when they decrease warrantys?

This is a fairly interesting article about constructing a stick. I haven't been able to check out the "Spectra" material statement as of yet.

http://www.goalienation.com/spotlight/0311_feller.html

by **Beta** on Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:54 pm

I know all about polymers...but not "exactly" the ones manufacturers use.

"Plastic" is not really what they're using. From all the stuff I saw in lab, lacrosse heads are made out of a Nylon blend. It would be interesting to see how strong heads would be if made out of other polymers, such as polystyrene or a better blend of Nylon.

You guys would flip out if you knew how much it costs to make a lacrosse head :twisted:

by **LAXDawg14** on Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:03 pm

we all know what material DIDNT work..... whatever that stuff they made the edge ice out of..... :wink:

by **Ben Clark** on Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:06 pm

You guys would flip out if you knew how much it costs to make a lacrosse head

On the subject of making a lacrosse head, WPI goalie (and Captain) Sam Feller did just that in high school. You can read about it here: http://www.goalienation.com/spotlight/0311_feller.html

by **Zeuslax** on Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:14 pm

"Plastic" is not really what they're using. From all the stuff I saw in lab, lacrosse heads are made out of a Nylon blend. It would be interesting to see how strong heads would be if made out of other polymers, such as polystyrene or a better blend of Nylon.

I smell a class action law suit! A polymer doesn't automatically refer to plastic, does it?

by **Beta** on Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:20 pm

Thanks for the repost Ben :twisted:

Not including start up costs, assuming there is no power costs, the cost of the plates...

75 cents per pound of material (nylon pellets)...give/take...would be my estimation.

1 Evo Pro = 1/3 pound (roughly)
1 Evo Pro = $0.25

by **grinderpete** on Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:23 pm

Beta wrote:Thanks for the repost Ben

Not including start up costs, assuming there is no power costs, the cost of the plates...

75 cents per pound of material (nylon pellets)...give/take...would be my estimation.

1 Evo Pro = 1/3 pound (roughly)
1 Evo Pro = $0.25

I believe that with everything put together (development, molds, etc.) The cost of a head is roughly 2 bucks. I wish I was smater. I mean smarter.

by **Beta** on Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:26 pm

Zeuslax wrote:A polymer doesn't automatically refer to plastic, does it?

Well "plastic" is a pretty vague term but I mean yeah plastic is a polymer. I just hate calling anything "plastic"..it's like calling anything with 4 wheels a car.

by **Beta** on Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:40 pm

grinderpete wrote:I believe that with everything put together (development, molds, etc.) The cost of a head is roughly 2 bucks. I wish I was smater. I mean smarter.

Ill do a cost breakdown from my design project from last year. We were making chopsticks out of polymer chips (polystyrene) in an injection molding machine, spitting out roughly 16 chopsticks per minute of operation.

We'll say they make 10 heads per minute, on a single machine that operates for 8 hours a day (no stop-time/shutdown)...for 200 days a year.

That's 16,000 heads. Each head requires 1/3 a pound of material @ .75 for nylon (.25 for polystyrene)...so the raw material cost is $12,000 ($4,000 ps). Then machine cost plus plates is $150,000 give/take.

So $150,000 + $4,000 ($1,333) = $154,000 ($151,333).

Development costs are negligable depending on if you wanna consider Mikey Powell shooting balls against glass bottles on his website "R&D"...but to skip ahead a bit....

16,000 Evo Pros @ $79.99 = $1,279,840.

Machinary can be used on multiple molds with relative ease of changing material volumes via computer.

Oh btw, broken heads...I am willing to bet that they throw them into a "recycler" or sell them to a recycler and stick em right back in and sell them for the same amount. Odds are...a 2nd Generation head is truly 2nd "Generation". That's right...nerd punny-ness.