Outrages of the day?

[StrykerFSU]

I guess my big issue comes from the immediate assumption that some outrage has been committed. Why is it an outrage? Is it because it was black man on the day of his wedding and an 88 year old black woman gunned down in her home? It certainly sounds that way when that's all we hear- I think that a raised eyebrow at the least would be a sound reaction.

What about when it's reported leaving out the description of the suspects? A person was killed by officers after trying to run over police officers with his vehicle, and a person was killed by officers serving a warrant after they opened fire and wounded three officers.

I really enjoy it when someone posts on the board and makes me say to myself, "Yeah, that's what I've been thinking but I didn't even know it." Waterboy, I salute you.

You can blame the lack of real gun control in this country and you can blame the war on drugs but I don't think you can blame racism for what happened in Queens or Atlanta.

Life Lessons of 2006:
Not having stripper parties reduces your risk of being accused of rape.
Not running over a police officer reduces your risk of being shot.
Answering the door rather than opening fire on police lengthens life expectancy.
Getting up when ordered to by police reduces risk of electric shock.
Edit Warning (I had to add this)
Study or be sent to Iraq.

[Sonny]

Life Lessons of 2006:
Not having stripper parties reduces your risk of being accused of rape.
Not running over a police officer reduces your risk of being shot.
Answering the door rather than opening fire on police lengthens life expectancy.
Getting up when ordered to by police reduces risk of electric shock.
Edit Warning (I had to add this)
Study or be sent to Iraq.

LOL! Good stuff. Sounds like a podcast idea, if I've ever heard one.

[Tim Whitehead]

More life lessons:

- Using excessive force increases your chances of getting in trouble
- Lying about the reasons for starting a war decreases your chances of holding on the the Senate and the House

[peterwho]

Not to be left out, Ft. Lauderdale weighs in on this topic...

City Commissioner Carlton Moore on Wednesday called for an independent investigation into the police after the department's fourth fatal shooting of this year.

"A lot of these incidents are questionable," Moore said. "This one seems to have the biggest question mark of all."

Police on Wednesday said they were investigating whether Eddines or Jackson stole the Mitsubishi Endeavor.

At some point, officers got out of their cruisers and confronted the two. The SUV backed into a hedge in front of a home in the 500 block, and one or both officers opened fire.

Police on Thursday said that the victim of a Coconut Creek carjacking identified the man killed by Fort Lauderdale police as the same man who held him up at gunpoint.

Eddines has been arrested 10 times since 2003 and Jackson 26 times since 1999, state criminal records show.

And the best part of the story!

One witness said appeared that Eddines might have tried to run over the officers. Three other witnesses have said Jackson was shot in the back.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-cshooting30nov30,0,5743428.story

This last issue is, in many ways, the real problem. There have been a record number of young people gunned down in the street. No one can ever describe the shooter or vehicle even though they claim they saw the whole thing. Until communities band together against bad behavior, it will continue.

[Danny Hogan]

they way that the article is worded makes it seem like they are investigating 12 deadly-force cases since jan 1...not the 12 deadly force cases since jan 1. i take that as a selection of the cases, but i could be wrong.

You're speculating there Danny!
There have been 12 fatal shootings since Jan 1...

DeKalb DA wants grand jury to review cop shootings cases

By Mae Gentry The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 11/22/06

DeKalb County's district attorney will ask a grand jury to review Police Department investigations of a string of deadly shootings.
"We are planning to ask the grand jury to review [the cases] under their civil investigation powers," District Attorney Gwen Keyes Fleming said Tuesday.
The grand jury could recommend whether criminal charges should be filed and investigate Police Department procedures in the shootings, she said.
Since January, DeKalb officers have fatally shot 12 suspects, more than any other police department in metro Atlanta.
A 13th suspect died in custody after being subdued with pepper spray and a baton, and one officer was shot to death by a suspect.

As to why I'm speculating - it's because things like this look suspicious - and it's one of my civil rights.
It's not like speculating about criminal cases hasn't occupied the forum before. I think there was another case that generated about 40 pages of speculation and opinion.

i stand by my speculation of the first article, i was wrong but the first article is worded a little misleadingly

[WaterBoy]

One witness said appeared that Eddines might have tried to run over the officers. Three other witnesses have said Jackson was shot in the back.

I take it from your use of this quote that you are assuming that the two statements are mutually exclusive? I don't think I see how this reigns in on excessive force. If they tried to back over the officers, like your article seemed to suggest, wouldn't their backs be the parts exposed to fire?

I don't know how I can echo it loudly enough- The use of force by a police officer doesn't mean that they have done something wrong.

We are ALL safer because of police officers. Just because some of the effects of their actions are unpleasant doesn't necessarily make them unjustified or extreme. We're not talking about a police state here, we're talking about isolated incidents where deadly force was used, and in each one deadly force was instigated by the suspects.

[Gvlax]

The sad fact is, it happens way more in this manner, white cops reacting harshly to minority suspects.

These are the only cases that make headline news, news with black or latino cops harrasing same race suspects are not 6 oclock news worthy.

[Gvlax]

i dont know if any of you are addicted to shows like Dallas Swat or Swat US but i know when they execute a no-knock warrant they still scream SHERRIF DEPARTMENT WE HAVE A SEARCH WARRANT. They always yell what department they are with and that the have a warrant to let everyone know inside that they are police and to not shoot them thinking they are breaking in.

[Sonny]

Lying about the reasons for starting a war decreases your chances of holding on the the Senate and the House

I think it had more to do with GOP not doing anything about illegal immigration and abandoning their fiscal conservaticism. The Republicans, led by Bush, spent more $ in Congress then the Democrats did and increased the size of the federal government greatly.

[laxfan25]

Lying about the reasons for starting a war decreases your chances of holding on the the Senate and the House

I think it had more to do with GOP not doing anything about illegal immigration and abandoning their fiscal conservaticism. The Republicans, led by Bush, spent more $ in Congress then the Democrats did and increased the size of the federal government greatly.

Yeah, those were the reasons that everyone was stating - nothing to do with the mess in Iraq or congressional scandals.

[Sonny]

Lying about the reasons for starting a war decreases your chances of holding on the the Senate and the House

I think it had more to do with GOP not doing anything about illegal immigration and abandoning their fiscal conservaticism. The Republicans, led by Bush, spent more $ in Congress then the Democrats did and increased the size of the federal government greatly.

Yeah, those were the reasons that everyone was stating - nothing to do with the mess in Iraq or congressional scandals.

Despite what the left-leaning media portrays, the core of the GOP base still supports the US effort in Iraq. That Iraq issue wasn't relevant to most of them. Scandals - maybe?

Still think it had more to do with Congressional spending and Illegal Immigration. If the GOP had done more over the last two years to curb both, they might still control the Congress despite the "mess in Iraq."

[Tim Whitehead]

Lying about the reasons for starting a war decreases your chances of holding on the the Senate and the House

I think it had more to do with GOP not doing anything about illegal immigration and abandoning their fiscal conservaticism. The Republicans, led by Bush, spent more $ in Congress then the Democrats did and increased the size of the federal government greatly.

Yeah, those were the reasons that everyone was stating - nothing to do with the mess in Iraq or congressional scandals.

Despite what the left-leaning media portrays, the core of the GOP base still supports the US effort in Iraq. That Iraq issue wasn't relevant to most of them. Scandals - maybe?

Still think it had more to do with Congressional spending and Illegal Immigration. If the GOP had done more over the last two years to curb both, they might still control the Congress despite the "mess in Iraq."

Sonny, spending/immigration may be why some of the "core of the GOP base" stopped supporting the current government, but I'll bet you the average voter (who shockingly isn't in the core of the GOP base) was much more concerned with the war.

[StrykerFSU]

D'oh! I knew my Kerry jab would spark this, let's make a new thread if we're going to get back into the Iraq issue. I'll even do the honors.

[Sonny]

Sonny, spending/immigration may be why some of the "core of the GOP base" stopped supporting the current government, but I'll bet you the average voter (who shockingly isn't in the core of the GOP base) was much more concerned with the war.

Maybe many GOP leaners stayed at home on election day. (Two years of lots of spending and no real positive change didn't excite them - regardless of the situation in Iraq.)

[Tim Whitehead]

Sonny, spending/immigration may be why some of the "core of the GOP base" stopped supporting the current government, but I'll bet you the average voter (who shockingly isn't in the core of the GOP base) was much more concerned with the war.

Maybe many GOP leaners stayed at home on election day. (Two years of lots of spending and no real positive change didn't excite them - regardless of the situation in Iraq.)

Maybe many GOP leaners stayed at home on election day. (Three years of the situation in Iraq and no real positive change didn't excite them - regardless of government spending.)