Bruin Tasered

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Postby Tim Whitehead on Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:52 pm

I don't really know what they thought he was gonna do laying down on the ground. They could have dragged him. The multiple tasings were way over the line.
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Postby Kyle Berggren on Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:04 pm

I'm borderline on whether or not a cop can grab his arm as he's leaving... If this was in your business, you asked someone to leave & they refused so you called the cops, would you want the cops to question him on the way out? I probably would. The article refers to him as walking toward the door, not out the door. He could have also just been trying to avoid the UCPD. He was an A-Hole, sweet, good for him. We don't have to respect him or his actions, all we can do is enforce the law (or push for new legislation).

sohotrightnow wrote:Yet another reason why cops are some of the lowest individuals to roam this earth.


If you're saying they did if for the feeling of power, I believe you're probably right. As far as lowest of the low, that's way off base. How can you judge someone based on their profession? Social Castes? There are bad apples in every group, I'm sure all of us have seen coaches, officials, & players acting like an A-Holes, but that doesn't make them all bad. Where do firefighters fit on your social caste system? What's at the top? How bout Teachers, Financial Planners, & Accountants?
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Postby Beta on Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:05 pm

If he wanted to stop getting tased...he coulda chilled out and left like they originally wanted him to. They grabbed his arm...big deal. It may have spiraled into something bad...which all would have been avoided if that guy had just chilled out and understood why they were removing him (or if he had brought his ID).
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Postby sohotrightnow on Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:06 pm

1. Are you serious? How often are cops shot by kids whenever they are pulled over? This isn't Hollywood buddy. You make it sound as if this were commonplace.

2. And if swearing is illegal in Georgia, then how does Larry the Cable Guy have a job?

3. Firefighters are probably at the top of my social caste system.
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Postby Kyle Berggren on Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:39 pm

How often are cops shot by kids whenever they are pulled over?

1.I've been pulled over about a dozen times, never shot. Obviously I think you guys can gather from my postings here, in general I say what's on my mind. Never been tased or shot & I have been to the library a few times as well. Everyone was out of line & those guys should at best be working a desk, but you're condemning cops... All Cops... because of the actions of a few. In my eyes, cops are a lot like referees, it's a thankless job that someone needs to do.

3. I can give you the cell phone number of an adultering A-Hole Fireman if you would like... or several guys from my college, including some dropouts, that probably wouldn't make the top of many folk's list of upstanding citizens.

The bottom line is that instead of judging a few cops, based on their actions, you're judging all cops, based on their jobs, as the "lowest of the low." I'm just going to make a large jump here because I don't want to this to turn into a huge argument (everyone should have & defend their opinion). Why is judging someone on their chosen career different than judging someone based on their religion, race, or creed? If you replace cops in your statements with "black people" everyone would have a problem with you... Why is this so different?

For the record, I'm not calling you a racist, I'll bet you're far from it. I simply want to challenge/question your logic.
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Postby Zeuslax on Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:45 pm

Yeah, they were indeed rough. One thing people forget about police officers is that they have to treat every single person they deal with like they may do something...or else they're dead. I know some people are gonna say "they're college kids, what could they possibly do?!", but how many cops pull over a young kid and get shot? Cops are underpaid, overstressed and you mess with them you get messed up.


I can agree with this to some extent, as I have a few family members that are police officers, and many of my closest friends are cops. They all work in some of the toughest cities in the US too. However, they often power trip and are knuckle heads.
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Postby Beta on Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:56 pm

sohotrightnow wrote:1. Are you serious? How often are cops shot by kids whenever they are pulled over? This isn't Hollywood buddy. You make it sound as if this were commonplace.

2. And if swearing is illegal in Georgia, then how does Larry the Cable Guy have a job?

3. Firefighters are probably at the top of my social caste system.


1. I figured the crime rate in LA was at least comparable to Atlanta..thus making the cops more on-edge. But you're right "buddy", this isn't hollywood...it's not like cops deal with felons and criminals. http://www.nleomf.com

2. Larry the cable guy is from Nebraska and West Palm Beach, and currently lives in Orlando. But yes, in Georgia it is illegal to use profanity in public. Regardless, it doesn't say much for ANY individual that curses/swears in public. Curse words while being tasered...understandable. Dropping F-bombs because someone has their hand on your arm...why? That word isn't going to solve anything...just make police more agitated.

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Postby Sonny on Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:00 pm

That was 7 minutes of my life I will never get back. :)

That kid is a freaking idiot.

Tasering him because he won't stand up isn't justification to do it again. It's called nonviolent (or passive) resistance.


What exactly is he resisting at the UCLA library?
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Postby Beta on Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:08 pm

Sonny wrote:What exactly is he resisting at the UCLA library?


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Postby Tim Whitehead on Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:13 pm

Sonny wrote:What exactly is he resisting at the UCLA library?


Ummm.... I don't know... excessive use of force? Would you approve of them doing that to your son?
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Postby Beta on Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:16 pm

I dont have kids yet, but if that were me...I would def deserve it. Ive been roughed up by cops for being out of line for something stupid. They had every right to cuff me, throw me on the hood of my car, etc. My lesson was learned. I just think the whole point of him being out of line was the cause for this...excessive or not it would not have happened had he just left...hand on his arm or not.
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Postby Sonny on Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:18 pm

Tim Whitehead wrote:
Sonny wrote:What exactly is he resisting at the UCLA library?


Ummm.... I don't know... excessive use of force? Would you approve of them doing that to your son?


He was protesting the excessive use of force? What brought him to the library in the first place?

I don't have any kids.. but if my son was acting like an idiot and wasn't listening to the simple commands that a police officer gave him, sure. I'd even let him spend the night in the can to think about it.
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Postby Danny Hogan on Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:19 pm

sohotrightnow wrote:1. Are you serious? How often are cops shot by kids whenever they are pulled over? This isn't Hollywood buddy. You make it sound as if this were commonplace.

2. And if swearing is illegal in Georgia, then how does Larry the Cable Guy have a job?

3. Firefighters are probably at the top of my social caste system.


#1 happened 2 separate times in florida in the last month. 2 cops and 1 dog died.

2. larry is regretably from florida.
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Postby Tim Whitehead on Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:27 pm

Sonny wrote:
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Sonny wrote:What exactly is he resisting at the UCLA library?


Ummm.... I don't know... excessive use of force? Would you approve of them doing that to your son?


He was protesting the excessive use of force? What brought him to the library in the first place?

I don't have any kids.. but if my son was acting like an idiot and wasn't listening to the simple commands that a police officer gave him, sure. I'd even let him spend the night in the can to think about it.


What was he doing in the library? I don't know, maybe looking at a book. It doesn't really matter. If he didn't have ID, fine, make him leave. It sounds like he was leaving anyways. If they needed to tase him once, fine. After the first one, though, there was no need to do it again. The simple fact is, he used no force on the cops. He didn't push them, shove them, pull a gun, anything. There is NO reason for repeated tasing if all he's doing is not standing up.
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Postby Sonny on Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:31 pm

Tim Whitehead wrote:
Sonny wrote:
Tim Whitehead wrote:
Sonny wrote:What exactly is he resisting at the UCLA library?


Ummm.... I don't know... excessive use of force? Would you approve of them doing that to your son?


He was protesting the excessive use of force? What brought him to the library in the first place?

I don't have any kids.. but if my son was acting like an idiot and wasn't listening to the simple commands that a police officer gave him, sure. I'd even let him spend the night in the can to think about it.


What was he doing in the library? I don't know, maybe looking at a book. It doesn't really matter. If he didn't have ID, fine, make him leave. It sounds like he was leaving anyways. If they needed to tase him once, fine. After the first one, though, there was no need to do it again. The simple fact is, he used no force on the cops. He didn't push them, shove them, pull a gun, anything. There is NO reason for repeated tasing if all he's doing is not standing up.


Three thoughts:

1. You don't know what happened before the tape started rolling.
2. The cops have no idea what (if anything) this kid is on (i.e. drugs, alcohol). Cops have to work with dangerous people in dangerous environments all the time.
3. He obviously did something wrong to be asked to leave and subsequently arrested. And after that... he continued to be very disruptive in a public place.
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