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Postby Tim Whitehead on Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:17 pm

StrykerFSU wrote:The deviance is on both sides boys and girls so I don't know that it is constructive to try and argue what cases are worse than others.

Top 10 Democrat Sex Scandals in Congress:

10. Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.

9. Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.

8. Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.

7. Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.

6. Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

5. Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.

4. Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.

3. Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.

2. Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.

1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.


http://www.humanevents.com/lists.php?id=17357


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Postby StrykerFSU on Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:42 pm

Well, included on the human events online website was a link to a Washington Post page that listed all, Republican and Democrat, sex scandals that have occurred in Congress since 1974. There are also case studies of each instance for those that continue to find relevance in arguing about previous offenses. I believe the Washington Post studies were done about the time President Clinton was being investigated for having consentual sex (not really his m.o.) with an intern. My point was that while some Democrats in Congress are enjoying beating up on Republicans right now, neither side is immune from this ugly stain. By listing just the Democrats' scandals, I thought I might slow some of the holier than thou rhetoric coming from some of our more partisan forum participants.
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Postby KnoxVegas on Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:48 pm

The alert banner on CNN.com:
Kirk Fordham, chief of staff to Rep. Tom Reynolds, resigns amid fallout from Rep. Mark Foley's sex messages to a teenage page, CNN confirms.


Who is next? It is only a matter of time before Larrry Flint begins to offer bounties like he did back in '98 amid the Clinton scandal that exposed the hypocrisy of the Republicans in Congress. Oh where have you gone Henry Hyde, Henry Hyde?
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Postby Zeuslax on Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:06 pm

Stryker your right, unfortunately it happens on both sides of the isle. No doubt about that! The bigger point is why anyone would defend this type of behavior. By defending him to protect the party, the leadership are conducting themselves in a manner that makes them look guilty. Whether some are or not. They are mostly defending the Republican party, but they should have said this is sick, this man is out, and we are going to take measures to try and ensure that this doesn't happen again. Not saying things like, "why are we spending all of this time on naughty emails".

A few questions for my fellow "water coolers". Has anyone heard his speech to all of the paiges from this year? Not only the content of his speech is ridiculous after this episode, but he cries in the end too. awwwww! He even talks about taking the kid to Morton's Steakhouse in his BMW for 10 minutes.

Also, has anyone seen the Fox News clips or heard about the story where Fox is labeling him as a democrat from Fl at the bottom of the screen. It may have been done intentionally by Fox as a "subliminal" thing. I saw it early this morning on some news pages, but it may have been proven false and just an accident the 3 or 4 times they did it.
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Postby mholtz on Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:12 pm

Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely --Lord Acton


The dems seemed more corrupt when they were in power (i.e. clinton) and the repubs now seem to be more corrupt.

The more power you have, the more corrupt you are.

I, personally, don't like how people hide behind "partisanship" whenever they do something wrong. This guy screwed up. To say that it's partisan politics that's getting him in trouble is ludicrous. It's "thinking with his little head and not with his big head" that got him in trouble (sorry Sonny, but that was the best quote I've ever heard from a high school teacher so I had to include it).

When someone on the streets commits a crime, it's not his friends that turn him in, it's his enemies. It's not partisan simply because it's a problem. Now, do I think the left will take advantage of this? Heck yeah they will, and they would be idiotic not to. How do you think the right got into power in the first place? By taking advantage of situatiuons like this.

Saying that is partisan only greatens the divide between the three sides - the right 5%, the left 5% and the other 90% of us that aren't "Tom Cruise" crazy
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Postby StrykerFSU on Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:18 pm

Has anyone actually defended him? I'm disappointed that anyone would be dismissive of what he has done and would love to see a united Republican Party condemming this behavior.

On a speculative note, what do you guys think would happen if it was a Congresswoman involved? I'm sure everyone has noted that in the cases of teachers having sex with their students, female teachers (especially "good-looking" ones) seem to get lenient sentences while males are locked up. Would this sexism be allowed in a case like Foley's?
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Postby Zeuslax on Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:26 pm

On a speculative note, what do you guys think would happen if it was a Congresswoman involved? I'm sure everyone has noted that in the cases of teachers having sex with their students, female teachers (especially "good-looking" ones) seem to get lenient sentences while males are locked up. Would this sexism be allowed in a case like Foley's?


Interesting question..............there would definitely be a double standard. What if it was a Congresswomen and a female Paige?
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Postby Gregg Pathiakis on Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:27 pm

StrykerFSU wrote:Has anyone actually defended him? I'm disappointed that anyone would be dismissive of what he has done and would love to see a united Republican Party condemming this behavior.


I actually heard Bill O'Rielly say yesterday that Rep. Foley is not a pedophile since he allegedly never had any physical contact with the pages. First, I can't believe that someone can actually come out and practically defend him. Second, his notion of a pedophile is off. Pedophinilia(sp?) is about a sexual preference, not an act.
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Postby StrykerFSU on Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:38 pm

I actually heard Bill O'Rielly say yesterday that Rep. Foley is not a pedophile


That really surprises me because O'Reilly, for all of his faults, is quite adamant about protecting kids, i.e. his very public support for Jessica's Law.

I, personally, don't like how people hide behind "partisanship" whenever they do something wrong. This guy screwed up. To say that it's partisan politics that's getting him in trouble is ludicrous.


I completely agree with you. I wasn't meaning to say that he was getting in trouble because of partisan politics. I was thinking more in reference to what we have seen in the aftermath.

Saying that is partisan only greatens the divide between the three sides - the right 5%, the left 5% and the other 90% of us that aren't "Tom Cruise" crazy


You preach the truth!
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Postby KnoxVegas on Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:49 pm

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A senior congressional aide said Wednesday he told House Speaker Dennis Hastert's office in 2004 about worrisome conduct by former Rep. Mark Foley with teenage pages -- the earliest known alert to the GOP leadership.

Kirk Fordham told The Associated Press that when he was told about Foley's inappropriate behavior toward pages, he had "more than one conversation with senior staff at the highest level of the House of Representatives asking them to intervene."

The conversations took place long before the e-mail scandal broke, Fordham said, and at least a year earlier than members of the House GOP leadership have acknowledged.


http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/04/foley.ap/index.html

Two years ago? You can bet should this Foley investigation lead to indictments, Fordham will be appearing in front of a grand jury in the not too distant future.

As far as Foley's speech to the pages, that was creepy given the light now shed on his life.

As for people hiding behind partisanship when they are having problem, it is called accountability. Something that is lacking in society today. You f'up, you take the punishment.
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Postby KnoxVegas on Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:05 pm

Zeuslax wrote:Also, has anyone seen the Fox News clips or heard about the story where Fox is labeling him as a democrat from Fl at the bottom of the screen. It may have been done intentionally by Fox as a "subliminal" thing. I saw it early this morning on some news pages, but it may have been proven false and just an accident the 3 or 4 times they did it.


I saw this too. As someone who works in tv graphics, this is an unexcusable mistake, whether you a fonting the winner of the butter carving comp or a congressman. There are several eyes that look at the graphic before it makes air. The fonts do not insert themselves. Airing it false once is a mistake. Twice is unforgivable. I once did a game with a guy who fonted Vanderbilt as "The University of Nashville." He was fired on the spot. True story.
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Postby laxfan25 on Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:26 pm

Ah, where are some of the great sex scandals of bygone times?
I'm old enough to remember a very hilarious one involving Wilbur Mills, the Democratic chair of the House Ways and Means Committee;
Unfortunately, Mills is perhaps best known for a scandal involving a drunken incident on October 7, 1974, with an Argentine stripper known as Fanne Foxe. Mills' car, driven by a former Nixon staffer, was stopped by US Park police late at night because the driver had not turned on the lights. Mills was intoxicated, and his face was cut from a scuffle with Foxe. When police approached the car, Foxe leapt from the car and jumped into the nearby Tidal Basin. Mills acknowledged his alcoholism, sought treatment at the West Palm Beach Institute, and joined Alcoholics Anonymous. Despite the scandal, he was re-elected to Congress in November 1974 by 60%, but in December he drunkenly staggered onstage at a Boston strip club where Ms. Fox was performing. Soon after this second embarrassment Mills was forced to step down from his chairmanship of the Ways and Means Committee. Mills is one of numerous public officials known to have drinking problems during the time. He did not seek re-election in 1976.


Another great story from the same era involved the Secretary of Agriculture - Earl Butz;
In 1976, Butz became the center of a controversy when it was revealed that he frequently told jokes that demeaned various racial and religious groups; he reportedly ridiculed Pope Paul VI for his stand on birth control, quipping that "he no play-a da game, he no make-a da rules," drawing fire from Roman Catholics, and especially those of Italian American heritage. Butz also allegedly uttered the following comment while on board Air Force One during Ford's 1976 re-election campaign: "I'll tell you what the coloreds want. It's three things: first, a tight pussy; second, loose shoes; and third, a warm place to shit." American newspapers and news magazines wanted to cover this, but they felt that the statement was too obscene and offensive to print. According to the Columbia Journalism Review, the Associated Press sent out the uncensored quotation but only two newspapers printed the statement verbatim: the Madison Capital Times and the Toledo Blade of Toledo, Ohio. Some paraphrased, saying for example that Butz had commented on the desire of black Americans to have "good sex, comfortable shoes, and a warm place to go the bathroom." Others stated that he had said something too obscene to print, and invited their readers to contact the editors if they wanted more information. The San Diego Evening Tribune offered to mail a copy of the whole quotation to anyone who requested it; more than they 3,000 did, and got copies. Negative publicity from the statement forced Butz to resign from his Cabinet post on October 4, 1976.

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Postby KnoxVegas on Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:56 pm

Rep. John Wilson Jenrette, Jr (R-SC) is most famous for two actions during his days as a Congressman. First, he had sex with his then-wife, Rita Jenrette, behind a pillar on the steps of the Capitol Building. The comedy group "The Capitol Steps" take their name from this escapade. Second, he was charged with and convicted for accepting a $50,000 bribe in the Abscam sting operation conducted by the FBI in 1980. Jenrette was sentenced to two years in prison, of which he served 13 months. He had not been videotaped taking bribes, as some of his colleagues had, but he was recorded saying he'd been given cash by an associate. In 1989 he was convicted of shoplifting a necktie from a department store at Bailey's Crossroads and was sentenced to 30 days.


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Postby Hackalicious on Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:19 am

StrykerFSU wrote:The deviance is on both sides boys and girls so I don't know that it is constructive to try and argue what cases are worse than others.

Top 10 Democrat Sex Scandals in Congress.


Most of those listed were never charged with a crime. Foley may likely be charged with soliciting sex with a minor through the internet. So, yeah, that's worse than others.

As for your #1, how is testifying as a character witness for your nephew a "sex scandal"? That's like saying that George Bush was in a "drug scandal" because he supports his niece who was caught smoking crack. (She was.)

Whenever they fall back on Ted Kennedy, you know they're getting desperate. What's next? Chappaquiddick and Whitewater?
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Postby BigheadTodd on Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:32 am

If I recall Ted kennedy was in the room at the time, and he was "Porky Pigging It" as they say on PTI.(Walking around, without pants)
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