Travel Restrictions:

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Travel Restrictions:

Postby Rob Graff on Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:08 pm

Folks:

If you are getting on a plane in the next week or so, give yourself extra time. Here is the notice from HSA.

Statement By Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff Announcing A Change To The Nation's Threat Level For The Aviation Sector

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August 10, 2006
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The Department of Homeland Security is taking immediate steps to increase security measures in the aviation sector in coordination with heightened security precautions in the United Kingdom. Over the last few hours, British authorities have arrested a significant number of extremists engaged in a substantial plot to destroy multiple passenger aircraft flying from the United Kingdom to the United States. Currently, there is no indication, however, of plotting within the United States. We believe that these arrests have significantly disrupted the threat, but we cannot be sure that the threat has been entirely eliminated or the plot completely thwarted.
Homeland Security National Threat Advisory Level Graphic - Level is Raised to Orange, A High Risk of Terrorist Attacks.

For that reason, the United States Government has raised the nation’s threat level to Severe, or Red, for commercial flights originating in the United Kingdom bound for the United States. This adjustment reflects the Critical, or highest, alert level that has been implemented in the United Kingdom. To defend further against any remaining threat from this plot, we will also raise the threat level to High, or Orange, for all commercial aviation operating in or destined for the United States. Consistent with these higher threat levels, the Transportation Security Administration is coordinating with federal partners, airport authorities and commercial airlines on expanding the intensity of existing security requirements. Due to the nature of the threat revealed by this investigation, we are prohibiting any liquids, including beverages, hair gels, and lotions from being carried on the airplane. This determination will be constantly evaluated and updated when circumstances warrant. These changes will take effect at 4:00 AM local time across the country. Travelers should also anticipate additional security measures within the airport and at screening checkpoints.

These measures will continue to assure that our aviation system remains safe and secure. Travelers should go about their plans confidently, while maintaining vigilance in their surroundings and exercising patience with screening and security officials.

The United States and the United Kingdom are fully united and resolute in this effort and in our ongoing efforts to secure our respective homelands.



This means you can't have contact solution, gel deoderants, liquid meds lotions, hairspray, shampoo, bottled water, etc in your carry-on luggage.

Don't even think about an IPOD if you are getting on a plane to the UK.

Not sure about laptops....

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Postby horn17 on Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:28 pm

Is lubricant a "gel"....just asking....
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Postby Campbell on Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:34 pm

this guy I work with, his dad is a pilot and has been trained as an air marshal, so he carries a gun on the plane. My friend said today as he was going through the security (for Marshals) they confiscated his toothpaste but not his gun.
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Postby Gregg Pathiakis on Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:46 pm

horn17 wrote:Is lubricant a "gel"....just asking....


I believe the HSA press releases tack on "or anything of similar texture" so no lubricant... but why would you bring lubricant anyways?

The UK's Department of Transport's press release states that NO carry ons whatsoever will be allowed except for medical stuff, which should be in a clear plastic bag.
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Postby Tim Whitehead on Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:14 pm

This has to happen a week before I go to Europe. :roll:
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Postby Rob Graff on Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:25 pm

Update - a few atty's in my office were traveing today - here is input from them:

1. The TSA people are all hyped - imagine a person with ADD mainlining Red Bull.

2. They are VERY serious about the limitations/restrictions.

3. Don't try to bring on water that you buy inside the security check point on to the plane.

4. Some of the TSA people were quietly talking as if many other things would be (or should be) restricted soon (all cell phones, all laptops, all watches). This one is unclear as the "would be" v. "should be" distinction is important, but unclear from the atty's story.

5. Checking bags and keeping the absolute minimum on your person is the easiest way - the TSA is really "tearing apart" check on luggage.
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Postby KnoxVegas on Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:28 pm

I am just screwed the next two weeks. I am on one-way tickets the whole way. Hello SSSS!

The one plus to this wouldbe a ban on carry-ons. The true negative (besides the trampling of our rights) is no battery powered devices. Then again, not seeing another BlackBerry would not be that bad, would it now.
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Postby CyLaxKeeper00 on Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:10 pm

Rob Graff wrote:5. Checking bags and keeping the absolute minimum on your person is the easiest way - the TSA is really "tearing apart" check on luggage.


Unless they are searching luggage that is checked in, it is probably just as easy to remotely detonate explosive "gel" in the cargo hold.
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Postby Sonny on Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:52 pm

I flew to Dallas today (from Atlanta) for the MDIA Meetings this weekend. Security was a little tighter then normal.

Not anything to write home about. They did open up my roll-on carry-on luggage to confiscate my "gel" deodorant.

Maybe it's just me, but I find it impossible that that would ban carry on laptops and cell phones from commercial aviation. That just isn't practical.
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Postby KnoxVegas on Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:54 pm

They won't ban the laptops and the cell phones but the TSA will go after the batteries.
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Postby TexOle on Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:45 am

I am all for safety, but the fear of a terrorist act since 9/11 is out of control. I actually felt safer on planes before 9/11. If people had done there jobs early on like stopping knives and other weapons from getting on planes then we would be fine. If we would keep the cockpit door permanently locked then how could someone hijack plane. All of this security stuff since 9/11 is getting overboard, and the terrorist are winning because they have created fear. I think we all have decision to make of whether or not we are going to let fear dictate our lifes. I am not going to let it. Everyone dies, but not everyone truly lives.

Both my parents travel frequently on business with my dad's travel being to Russia. I really feel sorry for the hassle that they have to go through to travel at times. I know we can do more jobs from remote areas now, but these restrictions do make business travel more stressful.

I also have family in the UK. I feel sorry for them, b/c with 2 young kids the no carry on policy makes it hard for a family to travel. Could you picture two kids on a plane with little to do for entertainment or normal snack foods? I would go mad.

I will also argue that some of the travel times are now making driving a better option. I have even started looking at Amtrak as an option. These restrictions I believe will probably kill parts of the airline industry since there are other options at similar prices that are more convenient and possibly faster.

On a side note, I am desperately looking for my passport. I figure prices to Europe have to fall dramatically. I have numerous people I could stay with over there which could mean a cheap trip to Europe.
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Postby TexOle on Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:13 am

I know of very few flight other than those on 9/11 where people were killed on a commercial flight due to terrorism. I can think of the Pan Am flight over Lockerby, Scotland as being a flight brought down by a bomb. I am sure there have been others brought down by terrorism, but not many in the history of commercial aviation. Lockerby was a bomb in the cargo area. The 9/11 terrorist probably had the least luggage on board. The truth is the terrorist are always a step ahead. Does anyone else remember the rockets that were shot at Heathrow years ago? The terrorist will discover a new way to target us again. Eventually they will find a way to hurt us in a way we cannot prevent. The sad thing is we put more emphasis on protecting an airplane with at most 500 people on it than we do federal building like the one in OKC. That was an act committed by one of our own. The capitol in Washington D.C. and some of the other federal buildings seem to be under constant lock down. From my last trip there I really worry if my children will ever be able to experience our government. I can think of other scenarios that could be much worse, but we don't guard against them. If we all work to protect our country by taking normal precautionary steps to prevent terrorism then we live and do it safely. If something doesn't seem normal then maybe we should report it to the authorities. If we want to save lives, then we should put more of an emphasis on things that might just do that. I am tired of living in fear. If I go out tomorrow and someone kills me then at least I know I faced it with my all. I attempted to live, and while in the eyes of some I failed I know that I succeeded in living.
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Postby horn17 on Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:30 am

They will ban whatever they see fit. Laptops, phones, Ipods, they will all be banned,and I have the feeling very soon (why, because what TSA security scanner knows the difference between an internal chip set on a remote detonator and a cell phone chip set?). There isnt much we can do about it. Why would we argue over the convience factor when there is a risk at hand - because we are so self indulged in our way of life that anything that pushes us away from the status quo (as Americans see it) is a giant travesty and an infringement on our rights. Its the two headed sword of Democracy...spurned by nationalism, etc (see Hobbs, Leviathan). As far as being a incovience, yes it seems like a big hastle, but i'd rather not die.....

Here is a good story, a guy (the story teller) is on the way back from vegas yesterday, whend they start confiscating everything liquid and gel based. One lady gives up her 150 dollar bottle of perfume and raises a stink, starts complaining and yelling...anywho, a group of 4 young men see what is going on and get the brillant idea of, Hey, we're not just going to waste our cologne we just bought. So they proceed to use the entire bottle on one another right there. I sure hope they were all sitting next to each other on the flight.....


Here, take this thing, it opens and closes, and has words in it. Yes, I know there arent in blinking lights, or cool buttons, but maybe, just maybe, you might learn something. Whats that, you forgot what it was called again....let me refresh your memory one more time...it's called a book.....
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Postby SLUDoubleDeuce on Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:56 am

Listening to the radio yesterday, there was an interview with a woman who travels back and forth from KC to California twice a week. She was 6 shades of p*ssed off because she couldn't take her 4 Pepsi's on the plane. The statement of hers that really got me was "I drink 24 Pepsi's a day. I have to have my Pepsi! I don't drink coke or water, so I should be able to take these one. It just doesn't make sense"

When did people become so self-absorbed and selfish that they think that they are more important than trying to keep thousands of people alive. And if these restrictions are too much for you, hop in the car and drive. It worked for years before air travel and it still works now.

Amen Rob, get a book, buy a magazine, do a crossword or heaven forbid, talk to the person in line next to you. You might actually enjoy it and learn something too.
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Postby UofMLaxGoalie11 on Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:54 pm

I remember shortly after 9/11 when all the restrictions came down and I heard that they took knitting needles away from an old lady. Not because they were considered weapons, but because they were afraid she would knit an Afghan.
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