Apparently Phillies fans don't like Bonds

[KnoxVegas]

You know that you are in trouble as an athlete when not even Stuart Scott wants to be seen with you.

[ZagGrad]

Is there any way he can save face with this whole thing? I can see it turning in to Pete Rose II. I mean, if he comes out and says "Yes, I used steroids" like Giambi did, wouldn't people just move on? He'd have to deal with the whole perjury/jail time deal, but other than that, what would happen?

[FLAK]

Is there any way he can save face with this whole thing? I can see it turning in to Pete Rose II. I mean, if he comes out and says "Yes, I used steroids" like Giambi did, wouldn't people just move on? He'd have to deal with the whole perjury/jail time deal, but other than that, what would happen?

Pete Rose deserves to be in the Hall of Fame more than Bonds, there I said it. You cant tell me that someone that played with the heart that Rose had and then made some bad decisions as a manager doesnt deserve to be recognized over a pre-modana juicer who cant get enough of himself. I wanted to remember Bonds for his golden gloves, he couldve easily made it to the Hall of Fame with the career he had, but I guess that wasnt enough for him

[CATLAX MAN]

It's not a matter of one vs. the other. Frankly, they both deserve to go and I think it is more likely that Bonds gets in before Rose, if he ever does. I know that there are plenty of people who are turned off by Bonds and his surly demeanor and lack of believability. However, even if you totally throw out his numbers after the 1998 season, he still would have HOF credentials. There's no way this keeps him out.

On the other hand, no one disputes that Rose should be in the HOF. That is a given with his career statistics. Interestingly enough, the ball is in his court. He will get the lifetime ban lifted by admitting his role and acting with some contrition, which he has steadfastly refused to do at this point.

[KnoxVegas]

Is there any way he can save face with this whole thing? I can see it turning in to Pete Rose II.

Bonds maybe guilty in the court of public opinion, to be fair, Bonds did not get sentenced to prison, like Pete Rose, Jr. From the article:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12583342/

"NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Pete Rose Jr., the son of baseball’s career hits leader, was sentenced Monday to one month in prison and five months of home detention for distributing a steroid alternative to his minor league teammates."

Or maybe you meant Pete Rose and his gambling. No way does he deserve to be in the hall. He bet on baseball. It does not matter what he did while a player to me. He was still in the game at the Major league level as a manager. Ever been in a major league club house. Big signs everywhere say "No Gambling!" Betting on the game while being in a position to influence the outcome is wrong. CCNY and ASU are similar situations that come to mind. Or for you cricket fans out there, how about Hanse Conje. For more on Cronje:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanse_Cronje

"A devout Christian, who impressed as much with his demeanour off the field as his ability on, it came as a great shock to the cricketing world when, in April 2000, he confessed to being involved with the largest match fixing scandal yet uncovered, receiving gifts and money from bookmakers to provide information on team selection, pitch information and notification as to when he would declare as well as influence the results of games. One particular incident which came to light during the King commission was when he succeeded in persuading Herschelle Gibbs and Henry Williams (a seam bowler) to join him in influencing a One Day International at Nagpur in India. Gibbs was supposed to score less than 20 runs and Henry was supposed to concede more than 50 runs. When this information came to light both players were suspended from playing international cricket for 6 months, although neither had fulfilled this agreement. In fact, Gibbs had played a stunning innings of 74 in that match, and the dashing style in which he batted had earned him much praise.
Convicted by the King Commission, Hansie Cronje was banned from playing or coaching cricket for life."

You Bet, You Lose!

[Sonny]

Is there any way he can save face with this whole thing? I can see it turning in to Pete Rose II. I mean, if he comes out and says "Yes, I used steroids" like Giambi did, wouldn't people just move on? He'd have to deal with the whole perjury/jail time deal, but other than that, what would happen?

Pete Rose deserves to be in the Hall of Fame more than Bonds, there I said it. You cant tell me that someone that played with the heart that Rose had and then made some bad decisions as a manager doesnt deserve to be recognized over a pre-modana juicer who cant get enough of himself. I wanted to remember Bonds for his golden gloves, he couldve easily made it to the Hall of Fame with the career he had, but I guess that wasnt enough for him

I'm no Bonds fan. But he deserves to be the HOF more then Rose. And it has nothing to do with contrition.

Pete knew the (gambling) rules of baseball, they are plastered in every minor and major league park in the country.

[ZagGrad]

What I meant by "Pete Rose II" was the same incident with Pete Rose was going to happen to Bonds...not Pete Rose Jr.

Pete knew the (gambling) rules of baseball, they are plastered in every minor and major league park in the country.

So Bonds gets a free walk because he didn't know steroids were not permitted for use in baseball...

Apparently, when he tied Ruth, he was met with boos and cheers. I guess all the Giants fans made it across the bay to make the game...

[CATLAX MAN]

So Bonds gets a free walk because he didn't know steroids were not permitted for use in baseball...

Again, Bonds has not failed any of baseball's drug tests. He has not been convicted of any crime. Nothing that he is being accused of has actually been proven. Apparently though, he has been tried & convicted in the court of public opinion, though.

[ZagGrad]

Again, Bonds has not failed any of baseball's drug tests. He has not been convicted of any crime. Nothing that he is being accused of has actually been proven. Apparently though, he has been tried & convicted in the court of public opinion, though.

True and yes.

I'm sure the same thing will happen (or already has) with the Duke lacrosse team as well.

[NomaBlueCollar]

Apparently, when he tied Ruth, he was met with boos and cheers. I guess all the Giants fans made it across the bay to make the game...

I wasn't there, but I did see the highlights, and I'm pretty sure he got a standing O

Regardless if he's guilty or innocent, you cant deny that he has some of the quickest hands ever in the game. Hit the slow-mo on the dvr if you ever get a chance when he turns on one. Definite HOF'er.

and thats coming from a Pads fan