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Postby TrainerDan on Wed May 03, 2006 11:40 am

I'm not saying that Jeremy doesn't deserve recognition. Looking at the stats, that guy faced a lot of shots and played very well. My point at the head to head matchup was that Glenn outperformed him head to head, that's it. I don't think that Glenn got the shaft in any way. Do I think Jeremy deserves AA consideration...no I don't. Not to slight his skills or the importance to his team but I have seen several guys in goal this season that I would put ahead of him. Once again, this is just one guy's opinion. Once again though I will back my guy to the end when he's attacked like Mr. Gummi chose to do.
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Postby bullhighutewoozgriffclam on Wed May 03, 2006 11:46 am

yeah and we beat poly head to head. the votes have been talied man. jeremy won.
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Postby bullhighutewoozgriffclam on Wed May 03, 2006 11:48 am

which game did you see. the cougar game. on the crease goals. like 20 of them. with as good a shooters as byu has it was closer than it could've been.
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Postby bullhighutewoozgriffclam on Wed May 03, 2006 11:49 am

on the crease shots....i mean.
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Postby TrainerDan on Wed May 03, 2006 12:04 pm

dig_plan wrote:which game did you see. the cougar game. on the crease goals. like 20 of them. with as good a shooters as byu has it was closer than it could've been.


10 goals against Colorado
13 & 14 goals against CSU in 2 games
16 against BYU

That's a lot of goals in just 4 games. Once again I'm not denying he faced far more shots than the other guys but still, that's a lot of goals and he only had 1 conference win and that was against Utah St.
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Postby Blake on Wed May 03, 2006 12:17 pm

I think you're completely ignoring the fact that Jeremy has less to work with than the BYU, CSU, and CU goalies. Utah has a great defense, don't get me wrong. However, he's going to get shelled in the cage when they face conference opponents. Look at the BYU game. Glenn faced no more than 19 shots (subtracting Kikumotos saves and goals against from the Utah shot total). Jeremy faced 41. Comparing how many goals were scored on each is simply not fair.

It's hard to keep a save percentage as high as Jeremy did given the number of shots he saw. Here's a more appropriate stat, in my opinion:

Shots Faced
Jeremy Johnson - 292
Pete Jokisch - 234
Glenn Makechnie - 232

Jeremy still stayed in the hunt despite seeing 60 more shots than the other keepers. That's impressive.
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Postby ME on Wed May 03, 2006 12:20 pm

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You are the most stubborn person I have ever heard speak in my life. As you post all your postings on the website, I laugh and I am sure many others laugh at your so called knowledge of this league. Here's a question for you, have you ever played college lacrosse? Stop being such a schmuck so that you can stop embarrassing everybody that represents the RMLC.
Also, the Utah goalie deserves the 1st team award PERIOD. If anything BYU's goalie should have had honorable mention and CSU's goalie the 2nd team award. If BYU's goalie was good then why wasn't he starting at the beginning of the season when Powers wasn't injured? Because he isn't that good...
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Postby grinderpete on Wed May 03, 2006 12:31 pm

ME wrote:Dan
You are the most stubborn person I have ever heard speak in my life. As you post all your postings on the website, I laugh and I am sure many others laugh at your so called knowledge of this league. Here's a question for you, have you ever played college lacrosse? Stop being such a schmuck so that you can stop embarrassing everybody that represents the RMLC.
Also, the Utah goalie deserves the 1st team award PERIOD. If anything BYU's goalie should have had honorable mention and CSU's goalie the 2nd team award. If BYU's goalie was good then why wasn't he starting at the beginning of the season when Powers wasn't injured? Because he isn't that good...


I dont normally stand up for Dan, but calling him a schmuck is pointless. I have seen every goalie play at least 2 games this year, and the real person who got screwed was the CU goalie. He outperformed every other goalie that i saw. Johnson is a good goalie, but I dont know that he would start at any of the other schools. Glenn has had some amazing performances this year. Ask CSU who they voted for. His performance against CSU was the best performance i saw all year. I dont think that it mattered to Glenn whether he was even considered for recognition. As far as saying he isnt any good... well, that just shows your biases
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Postby ktrost58 on Wed May 03, 2006 2:09 pm

First off, congrats to Jeremy, he seriously is one of the best goalies i've ever played with / against...and i've seen some good goalies in my day (Grinderpete for one...he wasn't a goalie out there, he was an artist). Its hard when you have a league where any of 4 goalies could have been 1st team...
I know it should go to the best goalie in the league, (and i think jeremy is) but think about this also...They all had great seasons, but i think if you take Jeremy away from Utah, they are a completely different team. The other 3 teams would be hurt, but they would manage... to his team, he was the most valuable goalie in the league, and i think he is the most deserving of the award.
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Postby ineedmorecowbell on Wed May 03, 2006 2:19 pm

i am biased because i'm on the team, but i think jeremy's deserved his first team recognition. so what if trainerdan doesn't. he doesn't vote. the voters felt that jeremy deserved it and voted for him. glen, pete, jeremy, and tyler? i think his name is, are all incredible goalies and if could all make first team i'm sure if they were in another conference. our league is stacked enough that no matter what we do, somebody is gonna get snubbed. that being said, i think that calling people shmucks on the internet is the solution. insults from behind computer screens is the best way to accomplish anything. it also makes us all look really smart and not look like big nerdy babies!
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Postby canalacrosse on Wed May 03, 2006 3:02 pm

I saw the Utah V. CSU playoff game and Jeremy kept that team juiced and alive. He holds the pulse of that Utah team in his fingertips. He also played in the all-star game and yes it was mostly against B opponents but even playing relaxed and just "hanging out" he did great and looked relaxed. I would agree if you take Jeremy awy from the U then that team loses alot, alot more if CU or CSU loses theres.

Anybody give me the rundown on the Div. A all-conference selections? I don't care about the B-Div., just the A.


BTW classy move Trainer Dan on the not carring about divison B, I know alot of people don't think of B as a competitive league but remember our league is A and B and to the guys that get recognition it means no less to them than A. Like people have said before support the league as a whole and thats what helps us grow. WHo knows what B teams will go A someday.
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Postby TrainerDan on Wed May 03, 2006 3:41 pm

BTW classy move Trainer Dan on the not carring about divison B, I know alot of people don't think of B as a competitive league but remember our league is A and B and to the guys that get recognition it means no less to them than A. Like people have said before support the league as a whole and thats what helps us grow. WHo knows what B teams will go A someday.


Canal...I merely wanted to know about the Div. A recognition and not have a rundown of the Div. B awards to weed through. I know they play good lacrosse in Div. B. When we hosted the RMLC playoffs here in Provo in '04 there were some very fun and entertaining games in the B division playoffs. If my statement led you to believe that I don't care then I apologize.
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Postby TrainerDan on Wed May 03, 2006 3:46 pm

Well since I have been the creator of so much discussion, some good and some not so good, let me just say that we all have our favorites and our opinions. Many of us obviously differ but that's what makes the world go round. As for Jeremy at Utah, congrats on the recognition. You definitely had to face far more in goal than anyone else in this division so props. Someone previously posted that without jeremy, Utah would be nowhere near where they are this year and that I agree with. So based on that and other arguments I will be done with this subject. The fact is that there are some sick guys in goal here in the RMLC! Good luck to those going on to Plano!
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Jeremy Johnson

Postby Has No Left on Thu May 04, 2006 10:32 am

In 2002, Jeremy Johnson was cut from the Team Utah U-19 Vail team in favor of Chris Powers and Cole Hale. 4 years later, he is the 1st Team All-RMLC goalie and eligible for All-American. Jeremy Johnson has my utmost respect, deserves everything he has earned and that is the real story we can all learn from here.
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Postby Stone(Cold) on Sun May 07, 2006 2:34 pm

Hey....I'm a goalie....so I guess my opinion may matter a little more on the subject of goalies....and guess what....it doesn't matter that much.....

Relax fellas.... This is an internet forum, not a battle royale..... Yes you all have opinions and you're all individual snowflakes with different backgrounds and mothers..... :D Relax.... Guaranteed- all these guys you're talking about don't care that much.... Just thought I'd put that out there....
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