Final Div. A Poll

[GoCougs9]

When do the last polls get released???

[TrainerDan]

Colorado has beaten a top 5 team twice in the last week and a half. Has BYU beaten any top 5 teams by seven goals? How did BYU do in their most recent game? Your point about what conference CU is in making their schedule weaker makes no sense at all, they played two top 5 teams late in the season.

then #3 Sonoma St. by 6 goals
then #1 CSU by 3 goals ( How has CU done against CSU?)
then #4 Michigan by 1 goal
then #4 FSU by 3 goals
then #7 Oregon by 8 goals

Hmmm...that's 4 wins against top 5 opponents when they played. Not to shabby!

And I was not saying that the RMLC is weak...I was pointing out that outside of BYU and CSU, CU has 1 quality non-conference game and they got beat by 7 goals (UCSB). CU's OOC schedule is pretty weak, they have 2 quality wins over BYU and that's it. YOUR ARGUMENT doesn't have a lot of backing.

[TrainerDan]

WOW Dan,
As I read your post you continue to amaze me... you say you are very knowledgable as said below:

Hey...this is just one guy's opinion...but I would consider myself pretty knowledgeable

but I can't put it together on how you are actually knowledgable by putting BYU a head of CU. Other games do not matter when teams have played each other twice within a two week range and one team has won both times, one being an actual whooping. I think that if you want to be knowledgable (which you aren't) you need to stop favoring your favorite team and look at the big picture.

I am looking at the big picture. CU has beaten BYU twice and NOBODY else! So CU matches up well with BYU, that I understand but the fact is that CU has not beaten anyone else in the top 10. In fact they lost twice to CSU in that same 2 week period, whereas BYU got a win over CSU in Denver, a 6 goal win over Sonoma at home, and a 10 goal win at Utah in that same period. I'll be the first to admit that the Cougars struggle against CU for whatever reason but even the records over the past 2 weeks show that BYu should still be ahead of CU. Once again, just one guy's opinion.

[CATLAX MAN]

Dan, you keep beating this dead horse, but as I see it, BYU lost to CU twice this season and at the end of the season, at that. That seals the deal for me and many others here. You can try and find other rationalizations, but we should be finding out the definitive answer for sure in about an hour & a half.

[TrainerDan]

Dan, you keep beating this dead horse, but as I see it, BYU lost to CU twice this season and that seals the deal for me and many others here. You can try and find other rationalizations, bu we should be finding out the definitive answer for sure in about an hour & a half.

No worries...I respect your opinion just as I would hope to receive the same respect in return. If I were a pollster I would put BYU ahead of CU based on all factors, not just one...but that is me.

[OldRamAlum83]

Wow I really can't believe you (trainer Dan) could think BYU should be a higher seed over CU after the very impressive win they had against you last week. You both deserve a top 4 seed and I am a little suprised everyone is keeping Michigan so high after losing to Michigan State. If CSU would dropped their game to Utah (who is wayyyyyyyyyy better than MSU) they would've dropped down out of the top five. I also think you should take into account how close CU played against CSU. I know BYU beat CSU and I will not use the "for whatever reason". The reason was BYU was the better team that day. However, I think that is not as relevant as CU beating BYU twice over a short duration of time. Especially when it was as convincing as it was the second time around.

[Bluevelvet]

If CSU would dropped their game to Utah (who is wayyyyyyyyyy better than MSU) they would've dropped down out of the top five.

That is not true. They would have dropped one or two spots just like they did when they lost to BYU (one spot). Colorado St. has always been treated very fairly in the polls.

[wheelz33]

Wow I really can't believe you (trainer Dan) could think BYU should be a higher seed over CU after the very impressive win they had against you last week. You both deserve a top 4 seed and I am a little suprised everyone is keeping Michigan so high after losing to Michigan State. If CSU would dropped their game to Utah (who is wayyyyyyyyyy better than MSU) they would've dropped down out of the top five. I also think you should take into account how close CU played against CSU. I know BYU beat CSU and I will not use the "for whatever reason". The reason was BYU was the better team that day. However, I think that is not as relevant as CU beating BYU twice over a short duration of time. Especially when it was as convincing as it was the second time around.

I'm with Bluevelvet, I doubt CSU would be out of the top 5 with a loss to Utah. SSU managed to stay in the top 3 with their loss. And while I'll agree MSU has NOT proved themselves to be on the same level as Utah, saying Utah is WAY better is a little harsh. MSU was in the top 25 all year, with their only losses to ranked teams.

It's interesting that some teams just match up well against others. CU seems to have BYU's number. Although BYU seems to be better against most other teams. Makes it an interesting decision for voters. Whats more important, head-2-head? Or each teams overall body of work?

[ME]

WOW Dan,
As I read your post you continue to amaze me... you say you are very knowledgable as said below:

Hey...this is just one guy's opinion...but I would consider myself pretty knowledgeable

but I can't put it together on how you are actually knowledgable by putting BYU a head of CU. Other games do not matter when teams have played each other twice within a two week range and one team has won both times, one being an actual whooping. I think that if you want to be knowledgable (which you aren't) you need to stop favoring your favorite team and look at the big picture.

I am looking at the big picture. CU has beaten BYU twice and NOBODY else! So CU matches up well with BYU, that I understand but the fact is that CU has not beaten anyone else in the top 10. In fact they lost twice to CSU in that same 2 week period, whereas BYU got a win over CSU in Denver, a 6 goal win over Sonoma at home, and a 10 goal win at Utah in that same period. I'll be the first to admit that the Cougars struggle against CU for whatever reason but even the records over the past 2 weeks show that BYu should still be ahead of CU. Once again, just one guy's opinion.

Your getting no respect becauseyou fell to see it doesn't matter if CU has beat anyone else they still have beat BYU twice if the series went 1 and 1 it would be a whole different arguement not to mention that CU didn't lose to CSU by 7 goals unlike BYU to CU. Whatever BYU did outside of CU is different but just like CSU will be ranked above CU, CU will be ranked above BYU.

[TrainerDan]

Wow I really can't believe you (trainer Dan) could think BYU should be a higher seed over CU after the very impressive win they had against you last week. You both deserve a top 4 seed and I am a little suprised everyone is keeping Michigan so high after losing to Michigan State. If CSU would dropped their game to Utah (who is wayyyyyyyyyy better than MSU) they would've dropped down out of the top five. I also think you should take into account how close CU played against CSU. I know BYU beat CSU and I will not use the "for whatever reason". The reason was BYU was the better team that day. However, I think that is not as relevant as CU beating BYU twice over a short duration of time. Especially when it was as convincing as it was the second time around.

I'm with Bluevelvet, I doubt CSU would be out of the top 5 with a loss to Utah. SSU managed to stay in the top 3 with their loss. And while I'll agree MSU has NOT proved themselves to be on the same level as Utah, saying Utah is WAY better is a little harsh. MSU was in the top 25 all year, with their only losses to ranked teams.

It's interesting that some teams just match up well against others. CU seems to have BYU's number. Although BYU seems to be better against most other teams. Makes it an interesting decision for voters. Whats more important, head-2-head? Or each teams overall body of work?

That's the point I've been getting at all day...interesting decisions to be made

[TrainerDan]

WOW Dan,
As I read your post you continue to amaze me... you say you are very knowledgable as said below:

Hey...this is just one guy's opinion...but I would consider myself pretty knowledgeable

but I can't put it together on how you are actually knowledgable by putting BYU a head of CU. Other games do not matter when teams have played each other twice within a two week range and one team has won both times, one being an actual whooping. I think that if you want to be knowledgable (which you aren't) you need to stop favoring your favorite team and look at the big picture.

I am looking at the big picture. CU has beaten BYU twice and NOBODY else! So CU matches up well with BYU, that I understand but the fact is that CU has not beaten anyone else in the top 10. In fact they lost twice to CSU in that same 2 week period, whereas BYU got a win over CSU in Denver, a 6 goal win over Sonoma at home, and a 10 goal win at Utah in that same period. I'll be the first to admit that the Cougars struggle against CU for whatever reason but even the records over the past 2 weeks show that BYu should still be ahead of CU. Once again, just one guy's opinion.

Your getting no respect becauseyou fell to see it doesn't matter if CU has beat anyone else they still have beat BYU twice if the series went 1 and 1 it would be a whole different arguement not to mention that CU didn't lose to CSU by 7 goals unlike BYU to CU. Whatever BYU did outside of CU is different but just like CSU will be ranked above CU, CU will be ranked above BYU.

But yet you still fail to acknowledge that CU has not beaten ANYONE ELSE in the top 10 all season. Their MDIA OOC schedule was not strong at all. So are 2 wins over BYU and no wins over anyone else really worth a #2 or #3 seed? That to me really disrespects the effort of all these teams that played much tougher schedules and would tell me that the pollsters as a whole don't look at all at what has transpired since the previous poll or the course of the entire season. Once again...CU is a very good team but looking at the season as a whole for both teams I would still put CU behind BYU based on the whole season.

[ME]

I can agree with that but if that is the case then I cannot put BYU ahead of CU still if CU is #5 then BYU is #6 I acknowledge that BYU has beaten some teams such as CSU and Michigan but they also lost twice to CU by 7 goals in the SECOND game. BYU deserves a high ranking but CU rightfully earned its spot above BYU where ever that may be in the Top 10.

[DG]

Colorado has beaten a top 5 team twice in the last week and a half. Has BYU beaten any top 5 teams by seven goals? How did BYU do in their most recent game? Your point about what conference CU is in making their schedule weaker makes no sense at all, they played two top 5 teams late in the season.

Since the last poll, BYU beat Sonoma by 6 goals, beat Utah by 10 goals, lost to CU by 7 goals. That's 2-1.

Since the last poll, CU lost to CSU by 3 goals, beat BYU by 7 goals, lost to CSU by 1 goal. That's 1-2. It is true that those 2 losses are to the #1 team in the country, but they are still losses. I keep hearing about how "close losses" shouldn't count for anything...but I digress.

In the last poll, CU enjoyed a bump in rankings after their first win vs BYU in Boulder. If you consider only wins and losses, then they have not done as well as BYU since that time.

I personally think that CU should be above BYU, but a similar argument is being made with Utah and Cal Poly. Utah wants to jump Poly due to their head to head win. Poly thinks they should maintain their spot in the poll because since the last poll, they have done better than Utah.

It looks like BYU and CU could meet in the quarters. That would be one heck of a game to see...

DG

[bullhighutewoozgriffclam]

I wanna go to Dallas.

[jmaxwell2]

Wow I really can't believe you (trainer Dan) could think BYU should be a higher seed over CU after the very impressive win they had against you last week. You both deserve a top 4 seed and I am a little suprised everyone is keeping Michigan so high after losing to Michigan State. If CSU would dropped their game to Utah (who is wayyyyyyyyyy better than MSU) they would've dropped down out of the top five. I also think you should take into account how close CU played against CSU. I know BYU beat CSU and I will not use the "for whatever reason". The reason was BYU was the better team that day. However, I think that is not as relevant as CU beating BYU twice over a short duration of time. Especially when it was as convincing as it was the second time around.

I'm with Bluevelvet, I doubt CSU would be out of the top 5 with a loss to Utah. SSU managed to stay in the top 3 with their loss. And while I'll agree MSU has NOT proved themselves to be on the same level as Utah, saying Utah is WAY better is a little harsh. MSU was in the top 25 all year, with their only losses to ranked teams.

It's interesting that some teams just match up well against others. CU seems to have BYU's number. Although BYU seems to be better against most other teams. Makes it an interesting decision for voters. Whats more important, head-2-head? Or each teams overall body of work?

That's the point I've been getting at all day...interesting decisions to be made

I think that one other point needs to be made. Because of the excessive amount of rain Northern California experienced just prior to their trip to Utah and BYU, most of their practices had to be held indoors (Gymnasium) because of the potential for additional damage to their field. I wonder if this could have had an impact on their ability to effectively compete against these two highly rated teams during this road trip.