Final Div. A Poll

[lex]

I can't see #12 Utah moving up in the polls after losing to BYU by 10 and CSU by 4. I think Utah might be out of the MDIA tournament because with the Michigan loss, there will be five lower ranked AQ's. #11 will be the cut off. If Oregon losses to OSU, I think they might be out. I don't see Cal Poly moving down after 2 wins and an OT loss to #8 Arizona.

Looking at the polls and the at large bids, it comes down to Utah and Cal Poly. Utah beat CalPoly, Sonoma and Arizona. Cal Poly lost to Utah, Sonoma, and Arizona. Utah should go to the tourney! They are playing amazingly well, and they deserve it.

[DTwizzie]

Looking at the polls and the at large bids, it comes down to Utah and Cal Poly. Utah beat CalPoly, Sonoma and Arizona. Cal Poly lost to Utah, Sonoma, and Arizona. Utah should go to the tourney! They are playing amazingly well, and they deserve it.

Utah also lost to BYU, Chico, and Chapman. All of which Cal Poly beat.

[lex]

If in fact it comes down to Utah and Cal Poly for the last spot, the process should remain as simple as possible. The pollsters should look at head to head competition first. That's the way it's done in selection committees of every sport, and that's the way it should be done here. Both teams have wins and losses in the top ten. Head to head is the best indicator in this situation. It's going to be a tough choice for the pollsters, but nobody can deny the importance of head to head results with closely ranked teams.

[DG]

Here's my top ten based on 2 possible scenarios tomorrow in the WCLL:
If SSU wins:
1. CSU
2. CU
3. Michigan
4. BYU
5. SSU
6. Arizona
7. UCSD
8. UCSB
9. FSU
10. Oregon

BYU gets blown out by 7 and does not drop. Colorado beats BYU and loses to CSU, they move up 2. Sonoma loses by 6 and then beats 2 top 10 teams and falls 2. UCSB loses by 3 and they fall 2. FSU wins by 5 and they drop 2. Michigan loses by 1 and they drop 2.
Every RMLC team moves up or stays the same no matter what. Every other team moves down 2.
Dan, this is just propaganda. Come back with something more realistic.

Since the last poll, BYU beat #3 Sonoma, Beat Utah and lost to #5 CU. I don't see why they should move down significantly.

Blue, why do you say BYU got "blown out" by 7, yet Sonoma "loses" by 6?

Truth be told, I don't care about any of that.

DG

[ramerica]

Bluevelvet,

I look at the world througth RMLC colored glasses but . . .

The reason Michigan drops is because they lost to an unranked team.

Sonoma's trip to Utah was tough for the WCLL. They lost to the bottom 2 teams in the RMLC LATE in the season. If they win today the recent heads to heads suggest the RMLC is better than the WCLL for the purposes of this poll.

The WCLL will have something to say about that in the tourney, but we are just talking about this poll.

SSU can't be ranked above BYU after having been blown out by them, and Colorado's two wins against BYU prove they are a good team.

I feel most strongly that Utah should go the the tourney having beaten both finals teams from the WCLL.

Personally I would rather BYU be the 4th seed because I don't want to see Colorado again until the finals if they make it that far.

If I were ranking the top group it would be

CSU
Colorado
BYU
Michigan
Sonoma
Arizona
UCSD
Santa Barbara
Utah
Oregon
FSU
Cal Poly

I think that wins and losses late in the season are the most important. Just one mans biased opinion.[/b]

[Bluevelvet]

CSU
Colorado
BYU
Michigan
Sonoma
Arizona
UCSD
Santa Barbara
Utah
Oregon
FSU
Cal Poly

These polls are just not realistic. I am trying to figure what the real polls will look like. Utah will not rise 3 spots by losing by 10 and 4 goals. FSU will not drop 4 spots by winning the SELC. BYU will not move up one after losing by 7 goals. Colorado won one and lost one game. Why move up 3 spots for that? Sonoma lost to BYU by 6 but probably will win the WCLL with 2 wins vs. top 10 teams. Should that cause them to drop 3? UCSB beat BYU, Colorado (by 8, late) and lost to CSU by 1. Too bad they are not in the RMLC. This is more realistic (notice how many 1 goal wins and losses and OT games in the top 10):
Final Poll * for the record the biggest drop was 3 by UCSB (my favorite team)
1. CSU won by 1
2. Michigan lost semi by 1
3. SSU won semi in OT
4. Colorado lost final by 1
5. Arizona won semi in OT
6. BYU lost semi by 7
7. UCSD beat UCSB, lost semi in OT
8. FSU won SELC
9. UCSB lost UCSD by 3
10. Oregon should win PNCLL
11. Cal Poly lost semi in OT
12. AQ GRLC
13. AQ UMLL
14. AQ PCLL
15. AQ CCLA
16. AQ LSA
Utah #12- lost by 10 and 4 since the last poll.

[lex]

Blue Velvet,
You know this last poll is the most important, and the entire season should be taken into account. As with any playoff selection committee, wins have always been more important than losses. Cal Poly does not deserve to be ranked ahead of Utah. Need I say again that when it gets as close as this, the selection committee should look at head to head competition, and Utah beat Cal Poly - period. Utah is #11 (if not higher).

[Bluevelvet]

Nice try Debbie-
Lots of teams are ranked below teams they beat. UCSB beat BYU and Colorado and lost to CSU by one. So what? All 3 of those teams are ranked ahead of UCSB and they should be.
Utah beat Cal Poly in OT. Utah lost to Chapman, Chico, and BYU. Cal Poly beat all of those teams. Looking at Utah's whole season, they are 9-7. 9-7 with 2 big losses (10 and 4 goals) since the last poll. Cal Poly is 11-6.

[lex]

And Cal Poly lost to Sonoma and Arizona, whom Utah beat. Those wins are much bigger than early season losses. You also can't really compare their records b/c Cal Poly doesn't play in the RMLC. You could go round and round with records and find things to point out for both teams, but the bottom line is that these teams are very close, and so the pollsters should first consider head to head results. Good luck blue velvet.

Go Utah - Big Love!

[Bluevelvet]

You know this last poll is the most important, and the entire season should be taken into account.

Debbie first you argue that the entire season should be the benchmark. When I pointed out that Utah was only 9-7, you argued that the late season games are more important.

And Cal Poly lost to Sonoma and Arizona, whom Utah beat. Those wins are much bigger than early season losses. Big Love, go Utah!

But Utah lost their last 2 games. You can't have it both ways. By the way, the SOS for Utah is #8 and CalPoly #12, roughly comparable.

[DTwizzie]

This is the goal differential between like teams, not the be all and end all but just another factor to consider:

Utah
Chico –1
Chapman –7
Arizona +1
Cal Poly +1
Duluth –1
Washington +6
Sonoma +1
BYU –10
TOTAL= -10

Cal Poly
Chico +5
Chapman +4
Arizona -1
Utah -1
Duluth -1
Washington +13
Sonoma -5
BYU +2
TOTAL= +16

[TrainerDan]

Bluevelvet you don't seem to realize how you contradict yourself. All year long you preach about rating from the last poll to the next but when it comes to this one you want to take the whole season into consideration and disregard your argument from poll to poll. Make up your mind dude!

[ramerica]

Utah beat Sonoma three games ago. I think this win puts them over the top. This win is even more important than the Cal Poly head to head (althought I agree with Debbie on that one).

That being said, I would be real nervous with a BYU/Cal Poly first round match up.

As for the rest of the rankings, put them where you like. The team that wins this year will earn it. I think anybody in the top 12 can make it to the semis, and this may be a great year for sombody like Colorado, UCSD, Arizona, Oregon, FSU and Michigan to break through and win it.

[Bluevelvet]

Bluevelvet you don't seem to realize how you contradict yourself. All year long you preach about rating from the last poll to the next but when it comes to this one you want to take the whole season into consideration and disregard your argument from poll to poll. Make up your mind dude!

Dude- What an absurd comment. I have consistantly evaluated each poll based on the changes since the last poll. What are you reading? Did you even look at my poll?
Were you refering to the discussion with Debbie regarding Utah? She is the one who said Utah's ranking should be based on the whole season. My response was that Utah was 9-7 for the season. But, my position has always been that Utah lost their 2 games since the last poll by 10 and 4 goals. Therefore, they can not move up from #12.
In any event, I based my new poll and rankings on what happened since the last poll. As a matter of fact, I criticized your "poll" because it was not based on the 4/19 poll. You had teams moving up and down 3 or 4 spots for no reason.
Before you acuse someone of something maybe you should read what was actually written. It might be helpful though, in your case, I doubt it.

[steveperry]

In simple terms: Utah has won three quality games this entire season by a total of 3 goals

Utah has lost 7 games, 3 of which were lost to teams ranked below them by a total of 9 goals (chapman, Chico and Duluth).

As we saw by the Michigan State win over Michigan, even a mediocre team can have a good day. does that mean they should go to the national championships? I don't think so. I also don't think teams should get AQs if they are not in the top 16. Just my opinion. It may challenge teams to start playing better competition.

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