Final Div B Poll

[cjwilhelmi]

Ok so I am so confused about how to do my poll. I have the first 3 or 4 spots pretty easily but I have no idea about the rest of them.

The best I can tell here is what happened in each conference tournament (rankings included). Just so that everything is in one place for the pollsters.

GRLC

Harding (#7) lost to Augustana (#24)
Creighton(#19) defeated Dordt (#23)

Finals: Creighton verses Augustana

SELC

Elon (13) defeated SCAD
Eckerd (8) defeated App State

Finals: Eckerd defeated Elon

RMLC

I cant find who the semi parings were, can someone inform me.

Finals: UVSC (4) defeated UNC (10)

EDIT::: WILL FINISH ON SUNDAY

[shocker P]

RMLC Semifinals

UNC(10) vs. Montana St. (11)----UNC by 1
UVSC (4) vs. Fort Lewis (13)-----UVSC by 6


Looks as though Calvin has won thier spot to Dallas for the CCLA beating Ferris 14-6

[Andy Sharp]

Here's my current data list, in order of the last poll:
1 - San Diego - #1 WCLL South
2 - Claremont - #1 WCLL North
3 - St. John's - MN - #1 UMLL Seed
4 - Utah Valley State - #1 RMLC Seed, Beat Fort Lewis 17-11, Beat Northern Colorado 9-7, AQ
5 - St. Thomas - #2 UMLL Seed
6 - Montana - #1 PNCLL Seed
7 - Harding - #1 GRLC Seed, Lost to Augustana 10-11
8 - Eckerd - #2 SELC Seed, Beat Elon 14-12, AQ
9 - Dayton - #1 CCLA South, Lost to Calvin 4-6, Beat Carnegie Mellon
10 - Northern Colorado - #2 RMLC Seed, Beat Montana State, Lost to UVSC 7-9
11 - Montana State - #3 RMLC Seed, Beat Western State 16-11, Lost to Northern Colorado
12 - Fort Lewis - #4 RMLC Seed, Lost to UVSC 11-17
13 - Elon - #1 SELC Seed, Lost to Eckerd 12-14
14 - Western Washington - #2 PNCLL Seed
15 - Pacific Lutheran - #4 PNCLL Seed
16 - Southwestern - #1 LSA Seed
17 - Calvin - #2 CCLA North, Upset Dayton 6-4, Beat Ferris State 14-6, AQ
18 - Davidson - DNP
19 - Creighton - #3 GRLC Seed, Beat Dordt 11-9
20 - Emory - DNP
21 - Pepperdine - DNP
22 - Carnegie Mellon - #2 CCLA South, Lost to Ferris State 14-20, Lost to Dayton
23 - Dordt College - #2 GRLC Seed, Lost to Creighton 9-11
24 - Augustana - #4 GRLC Seed, Upset Harding 11-10
25 - Western State - #6 RMLC Seed, Lost to Montana State 11-16
26 - Southern Oregon - #3 PNCLL Seed
27 - California - Irvine - DNP
28 - Ferris State - #1 CCLA North, Upset Carnegie Mellon 20-14, Lost to Calvin 6-14
29 - Rochester - #1 PCLL Seed, Lost to New Haven 5-7
30 - St. Edward's - #2 LSA Seed
30 - St. Louis - #6 GRLC Seed
32 - Colorado School of Mines - #5 RMLC Seed
33 - Occidental - DNP
34 - Bethel - #4 UMLL Seed
35 - Indiana of Pennsylvania - DNP
36 - Biola - DNP
36 - Grand Valley State -
38 - Appalachian State - #3 SELC Seed, Lost to Eckerd 12-13
38 - Linfield - #5 PNCLL Seed, Lost to Pacific Lutheran 9-12
40 - Maine - DNP
40 - Taylor - DNP
42 - Savannah College AD - #4 SELC Seed, Lost to Elon 2-11
43 - Wisconsin - Eau Claire - #5 UMLL Seed, Lost to Bethel 4-9
43 - Grove City - DNP
?? - Salem State

[thedude]

UNC - UVSC score was 9-7 not 11-9. doesn't change much but...

[Zeuslax]

Carnegie Mellon lost to Dayton 13 to 10........

[UofMLaxGoalie11]

St. Thomas just upset St. Johns in the UMLL Championship, 12-7. Congrats to the Tommies.

[KnoxVegas]

#24 Augustana defeated #18 Creighton, 12-7, for their first GRLC-B Championship.

#24 Augustana also defeated #7 Harding, 11-10, in the GRLC-B semifinals.

[cjwilhelmi]

#24 Augustana defeated #18 Creighton, 12-7, for their first GRLC-B Championship.

#24 Augustana also defeated #7 Harding, 11-10, in the GRLC-B semifinals.

Now this makes things very interesting. Apparently Augustana has been highly underrated. It could be argued that they should have been a top team the entire season being ranked somewhere between 6 and 14, not the lowly 24 they now enjoy. Augustana finished the season 11-1 with the only loss being to St. Louis University by 1. They are a very good team and should have been ranked much higher than they currently are.

Why are they so underranked?

Probably because they have not been as challenged as USD, UST, Claremont, UVSC and so forth because of not playing OOC games. The reality of the situation is that they are that good and none of us knew it. Crap on us, we didn't believe.

Augustana, welcome to the minds of Div B Pollsters, hopefully the next poll will put you were you should be.

[Andy Sharp]

CCLA: Calvin
GRLC: Augustana
PCLL: Salem State
PNCLL: Montana
LSA: Southwestern
RMLC: Utah Valley State
SELC: Eckerd
UMLL: St. Thomas
WCLL: San Diego

[thedude]

1. San Diego (20 First Place Votes) - 524 pts
4. Utah Valley State College (1 First Place Vote) - 463 pts
5. Saint Thomas - 432 pts
6. Montana - 416 pts
8. Eckerd College - 365 pts
17. Calvin College - 166 pts
24. Augustana College - 60 pts
??. Salem State
16. Southwestern University - 184 pts
2. Claremont College - 496 pts
3. Saint Johns University - 480 pts
7. Harding University - 397 pts
9. Dayton - 351 pts
10. Northern Colorado - 321 pts
11. Montana State University - 303 pts
12. Fort Lewis College - 277 pts
13. Elon University - 268 pts
14. Western Washington University - 245 pts
15. Pacific Lutheran University – 212 pts
18. Davidson College - 127 pts
19. Creighton University - 116 pts
20. Emory University - 105 pts
21. Pepperdine University - 95 pts
22. Carnegie Mellon University - 78 pts
23. Dordt College - 66 pts
25. Western State College - 50 pts


As of right now with the last poll.

[Pinball]

1. San Diego
2. Claremont College
3. Saint Thomas
4. Saint Johns University
5. Utah Valley State College
6. Montana
7. Eckerd College
8. Calvin College
9. Augustana College
10. Harding University
11. Southwestern University
12. Salem State

This is my ROUGH estimate for the tournament seedings. Im probably way off and screwed up somewhere but im sure someone will help me change it.

I do have Large bias with UST and SJU but i feel what SJU did at the begining of the year (only team to beat USD, beat UST) and what UST did today should place them and us above UVSC. I have no idea about Salem state.

[ilax]

here's a breakdown of what I have so far

1 - San Diego - #1 WCLL South beat #2 Claremont AQ
2 - Claremont - #1 WCLL North lost to #1 San Diego
3 - St. John's - MN - #1 UMLL Seed lost to #5 St. Thomas
4 - Utah Valley State - #1 RMLC Seed, Beat #12 Fort Lewis 17-11, Beat #10 Northern Colorado 9-7, AQ
5 - St. Thomas - #2 UMLL Seed Beat #2 St. John’s AQ
6 - Montana - #1 PNCLL Seed beat #14 Western Washington AQ
7 - Harding - #1 GRLC Seed, Lost to Augustana 10-11
8 - Eckerd - #2 SELC Seed, Beat #13 Elon 14-12, AQ
9 - Dayton - #1 CCLA South, Lost to Calvin 4-6, Beat Carnegie Mellon
10 - Northern Colorado - #2 RMLC Seed, Beat Montana State, Lost to UVSC 7-9
11 - Montana State - #3 RMLC Seed, Beat Western State 16-11, Lost to #10 Northern Colorado
12 - Fort Lewis - #4 RMLC Seed, Lost to #4 UVSC 11-17
13 - Elon - #1 SELC Seed, Lost to Eckerd 12-14
14 - Western Washington - #2 PNCLL Seed lost to #6 Montana
15 - Pacific Lutheran - #4 PNCLL Seed
16 - Southwestern - #1 LSA Seed AQ
17 - Calvin - #2 CCLA North, Upset Dayton 6-4, Beat Ferris State 14-6, AQ
18 - Davidson - DNP
19 - Creighton - #3 GRLC Seed, Beat Dordt 11-9
20 - Emory - DNP
21 - Pepperdine - DNP
22 - Carnegie Mellon - #2 CCLA South, Lost to Ferris State 14-20, Lost to Dayton
23 - Dordt College - #2 GRLC Seed, Lost to Creighton 9-11
24 - Augustana - #4 GRLC Seed, Upset #7 Harding 11-10 AQ
25 - Western State - #6 RMLC Seed, Lost to #11 Montana State 11-16
26 - Southern Oregon - #3 PNCLL Seed
27 - California - Irvine - DNP
28 - Ferris State - #1 CCLA North, Upset Carnegie Mellon 20-14, Lost to Calvin 6-14
29 - Rochester - #1 PCLL Seed, Lost to New Haven 5-7
30 - St. Edward's - #2 LSA Seed
30 - St. Louis - #6 GRLC Seed
32 - Colorado School of Mines - #5 RMLC Seed
33 - Occidental - DNP
34 - Bethel - #4 UMLL Seed
35 - Indiana of Pennsylvania - DNP
36 - Biola - DNP
36 - Grand Valley State -
38 - Appalachian State - #3 SELC Seed, Lost to Eckerd 12-13
38 - Linfield - #5 PNCLL Seed, Lost to Pacific Lutheran 9-12
40 - Maine - DNP
40 - Taylor - DNP
42 - Savannah College AD - #4 SELC Seed, Lost to Elon 2-11
43 - Wisconsin - Eau Claire - #5 UMLL Seed, Lost to Bethel 4-9
43 - Grove City - DNP
?? - Salem State AQ

1. San Diego
2. Claremont College
3. Saint Thomas
4. Saint Johns University
5. Utah Valley State College
6. Montana
7. Eckerd College
8. Calvin College
9. Northern Colorado
10. Augustana College
11. Southwestern University
12. Salem State

Northern Colorado edge over Harding
based on:
Top 10 teams played
UNC 3 Regular Season 1 Postseason (#1, #2, #4 and #4 in Championship)
Harding 1 Regular Season (#5 Regular Season)
Top 25 Teams Played
UNC 6 Regular Season and 2 Postseason (#1, #2, #4, #11, #12, #25 and #11 in semi-final, #4 in championship)
Harding 4 Regular Season 1 Postseason (#5, #16, #19, #23, and #24 in semi-final)
Postseason
UNC beat #11 in semi-final and lost by 2 to #4 in Championship
Harding lost to #24 in semi-final; did not reach championship
Both teams had a good season but reaching a Championship game in the playoffs (by beating a #11 seed in the semis) should give at least a little advantage

I am obviously a little biased towards UNC but based on the info above I feel like Northern Colorado is justified in taking the last At-Large Bid

Either way we'll have to wait until tomorrow night. Best wishes and good luck to everyone.

[Rave]

My top ten
1. USD
2. Claremont
3. Saint Thomas
4. Utah Valley State
5. Saint Johns
6. Montana
7. Augustana
8. Eckered
9. Calvin
10. Harding
11. Southerwestern
12. Salem State

Based on this afternoons events, I believe that the number one spot is truly up for grabs for USD, Claremont, UST, and Utah Valley State. All the teams have one lost and have played tough OOC games, Saint Thomas played Calvin, Ferris, Dordt, Harding, Creighton and was 5-0. Saint Thomas beat SJU who beat USD but lost to Claremont who lost to USD. All the top teams have lost 1 game but all to top 5 competitors. Saint Thomas deserves the number 3 seed for sure but as for the one and two spots, I would imagine USD would have a little leverage over Claremont since they beat them twice. Minnesota and California both will pull two teams from their states, does this mean Minnesota and California are the hot spots for college lacrosse? This shows how well Minnesota lacrosse plays (including University of Minnesota Duluth) and should be a exiting and interesting week in Texas.

[cjwilhelmi]

Northern Colorado edge over Harding
based on:
Top 10 teams played
UNC 3 Regular Season 1 Postseason (#1, #2, #4 and #4 in Championship)
Harding 1 Regular Season (#5 Regular Season)
Top 25 Teams Played
UNC 6 Regular Season and 2 Postseason (#1, #2, #4, #11, #12, #25 and #11 in semi-final, #4 in championship)
Harding 4 Regular Season 1 Postseason (#5, #16, #19, #23, and #24 in semi-final)
Postseason
UNC beat #11 in semi-final and lost by 2 to #4 in Championship
Harding lost to #24 in semi-final; did not reach championship
Both teams had a good season but reaching a Championship game in the playoffs (by beating a #11 seed in the semis) should give at least a little advantage

I am obviously a little biased towards UNC but based on the info above I feel like Northern Colorado is justified in taking the last At-Large Bid

Either way we'll have to wait until tomorrow night. Best wishes and good luck to everyone.

Ok to play devils advocate...

Yes UNC played 3 teams (1 twice) in the top 10: 0 Wins

Geographically its easier for UNC to play top ranked teams than for anyone east of the RMLC. Put to brag about playing top ten teams with 0 Wins is just plain pointless. Congratulations to you for coming up with an impressive schedule and challenging yourself but lets talk about wins.

Against Top 25 Competition

UNC went 4-4
Harding went 3-2

In Conference Tournament

UNC defeated a #11 team and lost to #4
Harding lost to #24, a team that has only one loss and is vastly underrated. Augustana legitimately should be a top ten team. Its just too bad that they didn't schedule aggressively enough to be noticed nationally.

[gibertjs]

davidson, at 18, was the highest ranked team NOT to make the playoffs. Pretty tough competition down there in the south.[/b][/i]