The one I wasn't sure about

[Lax_Stats]

This would be a lot clearer with the deletion of the word "other".

No, because then you could argue that a dropped stick is "required equipment" that has become "dislodged."

And, that is my point exactly! By using the word "other" you imply that the stick is "required" equipment as well.

[LaxRef]

This would be a lot clearer with the deletion of the word "other".

No, because then you could argue that a dropped stick is "required equipment" that has become "dislodged."

And, that is my point exactly! By using the word "other" you imply that the stick is "required" equipment as well.

The stick is required equipment. It's illegal procedure to play without a stick, the GK is specifically required to play with a GK crosse, and you can't play without a legally equipped GK on the field (violations of these are all IP).

[Lax_Stats]

This would be a lot clearer with the deletion of the word "other".

No, because then you could argue that a dropped stick is "required equipment" that has become "dislodged."

And, that is my point exactly! By using the word "other" you imply that the stick is "required" equipment as well.

The stick is required equipment. It's illegal procedure to play without a stick, the GK is specifically required to play with a GK crosse, and you can't play without a legally equipped GK on the field (violations of these are all IP).

GOTCHA!!! I knew I could make you say it!!! The goalie cant play without a stick which is a required piece of equipment! In addition, the rules state that you must have an appropriately attired goal keeper on the field at all times. If the goalie cant play without his stick and you have to have a goal keeper at all times, then you have to stop play if the goal keeper loses his stick at any time. Thank you for making my point for me.

[LaxRef]

GOTCHA!!! I knew I could make you say it!!! The goalie cant play without a stick which is a required piece of equipment! In addition, the rules state that you must have an appropriately attired goal keeper on the field at all times. If the goalie cant play without his stick and you have to have a goal keeper at all times, then you have to stop play if the goal keeper loses his stick at any time. Thank you for making my point for me.

Nice try, but it doesn't work. There is a prescribed penalty for failing to have a legally-equipped GK on the field and for playing without a crosse. Both of these are IP technical fouls. Let me ask you this: when team A has the ball and team B commits an illegal procedure violation, do you:

(a) Blow the whistle and stop play immediately or

(b) Throw a flag for a technical fouls and allow play to continue.

You're better answer (b) if you want to keep working. And since, AFAICT, nowhere does the rulebook say to stop play for a GK dropping his crosse, this it no different than any other illegal procedure violation in this respect.

Look, I just can't see your problem with this rule. It clearly makes a disticintion between the crosse and other required equipment. If they had meant for a dropped GK crosse to be an immediate stoppage of play, there would have been no reason to make this distinction, period.

[laxfan25]

So will that be the hot new play for any goalkeeper who muffs a clearing pass and now faces an attackman bearing down for a one-on-one shot? Drop your stick! The refs will have to kill the play!
Sounds like this would be violating the spirit of the rules, and as they said at the meeting in Philadelphia - "the book may say something, but we all know what they meant!". Better pick up that stick quick, GK.

[DLSLax]

ok this has happened to me. Im a close D man and i was playing defense, the ball was lose in a scrum and someone stepped on my heel and i stepped out of my cleat, the attackmen i was guarding then picked up the ball and i had to guard him with one cleat on, the ref didn't do anything

[LaxRef]

ok this has happened to me. Im a close D man and i was playing defense, the ball was lose in a scrum and someone stepped on my heel and i stepped out of my cleat, the attackmen i was guarding then picked up the ball and i had to guard him with one cleat on, the ref didn't do anything

What one official did or did not do is not proper evidence of the correct call. Playing without a shoe is IP for playing without equipment.

[UofMLaxGoalie11]

getting back to the glove issue, as a goalie, if I lose my glove somehow and have to stand infront of a shot, I would want the ref to stop play. Ive been hit in the hand/fingers/end of thumb enough times to know it hurts even with a glove. Without one, youre just asking for a broken hand. Personally, thats not what im looking for in a game.

[Brendan Barry]

Im guessing that the glove is a peice of the "other required equipment."

[Lax_Stats]

ok this has happened to me. Im a close D man and i was playing defense, the ball was lose in a scrum and someone stepped on my heel and i stepped out of my cleat, the attackmen i was guarding then picked up the ball and i had to guard him with one cleat on, the ref didn't do anything

What one official did or did not do is not proper evidence of the correct call. Playing without a shoe is IP for playing without equipment.

I disagree. The ref should have stopped the game because it is a safety issue and you were in a scrimmage area. After all, had your glove come off or your helmet, the ref would have stopped the game had you been in a scrimmage area.

[Lax_Stats]

getting back to the glove issue, as a goalie, if I lose my glove somehow and have to stand infront of a shot, I would want the ref to stop play. Ive been hit in the hand/fingers/end of thumb enough times to know it hurts even with a glove. Without one, youre just asking for a broken hand. Personally, thats not what im looking for in a game.

The ref should in fact stop the game in this case. If you purposely had thrown your glove off to try and get a stoppage of play, then I would have flagged you for USC.

[LaxRef]

getting back to the glove issue, as a goalie, if I lose my glove somehow and have to stand infront of a shot, I would want the ref to stop play. Ive been hit in the hand/fingers/end of thumb enough times to know it hurts even with a glove. Without one, youre just asking for a broken hand. Personally, thats not what im looking for in a game.

The ref should in fact stop the game in this case. If you purposely had thrown your glove off to try and get a stoppage of play, then I would have flagged you for USC.

But, of course, we still have to stop play here, even though we know he did it to get a stoppage. But the USC should help to discourage this sort of thing.

[TexOle]

As a former GK I can assure you that I don't want to play goal without a stick. If a GK pulls some of these tricks to stop warn him then start launching the flags. With regards to the one on one on a break away, I can assure that player is getting leveled by me if I am the goalie. I was playing in a game a few months ago and I committed a loose ball technical to avoid the situation.

[UofMLaxGoalie11]

As a former GK I can assure you that I don't want to play goal without a stick. If a GK pulls some of these tricks to stop warn him then start launching the flags. With regards to the one on one on a break away, I can assure that player is getting leveled by me if I am the goalie. I was playing in a game a few months ago and I committed a loose ball technical to avoid the situation.

The worst is when you run out to hit someone on the fast break, but they dont turn around when you would expect them too. When Minnesota was playing UMD after the Minnesota Swarm game, one of the forwards (box rules) was on a fast break and i ran out to hit him. It took a while for him to turn around so I ended up hitting him pretty hard from the side/back. The crowd kinda liked that one. I got a technical foul for that one, but I guess I didnt have to serve it. The funny thing was that the forward was on my high school team.

I also had a big hit on a fast break in the state semifinal game. It was nice.

[TexOle]

Watts nailed me for a technical on my last one. This was a winter league game. We still joke about that play. I got him from behind, but the ball was loose so he got it outside the box. Completely disadvantaged since the D gets to reset.