Report scores, Discuss games, WCLL week 11

[Kojima]

LMU defeats USC, 11-8 today. My bad about the playoff situation but whateve. It'll all work out in the end.

[Bluevelvet]

UCSD just lost to B division rival USD 10-9.

[Bluevelvet]

LMU defeats USC, 11-8 today. Makes for some exciting lacrosse next weekend as the LA - WCLL playoff spots are still yet to be determined. UCLA (undefeated in division play), UCSB and LMU (both of who only have one loss in divisional play) all have a shot. UCLA travels to LMU next Saturday - then hosts UCSB Sunday. Top two LA - WCLL teams, based on division records, make playoffs. Should be good. Props also to the schedulers for placing all these must-win games at the end of the season.

UCSB and UCLA are both undefeated in the WCLL LA division.

UCSB is in the WCLL playoffs if they beat USC.
UCLA/LMU winner is in.

If UCLA beats UCSB and loses to LMU: 3way tie at 3-1. UCSB has defeated LMU by 9 goals. UCLA or LMU must have a larger margin of victory to finish first. The team with the smallest goal differential is out.

[WaterBoy]

Technically, nobody has locked down a spot yet- but either UCLA or UCSB will get one depending on the winner of that game. Technically speaking, if UCLA beats UCSB and then LMU beats UCLA, there would be a three way tie at 3-1. (assuming all teams win their other games. I don't think there will be any ties in this division. I still think it's going to turn out to be a 4, 3, 2, 1, 0 finale in terms of wins (UCSB, UCLA, LMU, Chapman, USC)

[strykr11]

Cal 3 UCLA 3, Half
Cal 8 UCLA 7 Final

UCLA went up 7-5 and The Golden Bears came roaring back with three unanswered goals to win.

[scoot88]

USD and Claremont continue to stay in the B division despite several years of championship caliber play at that level and now that USD upsets UCSD and last weekend Claremont beat USC isn't it time for them to move up? They have the talent and coaching to compete in Division A so why not make a move?

[Kojima]

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[DTwizzie]

What happened in the UCSD vs. USD game? That's two in a row for the Tritons.

[Bluevelvet]

USD and Claremont continue to stay in the B division despite several years of championship caliber play at that level and now that USD upsets UCSD and last weekend Claremont beat USC isn't it time for them to move up? They have the talent and coaching to compete in Division A so why not make a move?

WHY?
The B division was not designed as a developmental league. It is for smaller schools to play at a high level.
The board hoped there would come a time when top division B teams would be able to beat alot, if not most of the division A teams. It looks like that time is closer than imagined.

[usdlax8]

to add to the reasons that we haven't moved up, we just don't have the money to finance the trips that would be required to travel. also, the trips to get the ooc games would be very difficult to fund. i don't know if it is just our school, but we don't get much money from our school so we must fund almost the entire year ourselves. it is also difficult to get lots of players to pay the money to play especially when you only have a pool of 5,000 students to choose from (only 40% male at that).

[scoot88]

There are several 'small' schools in Div. A (St. Mary's, LMU, Chapman, Santa Clara) and some large schools in Div. B (UCI, UC Santa Cruz)
Kudos to CMC and USD for their success, it just seems they would want to move up after several succesful years in B.

What's the rule for placement?

[CATLAX MAN]

i don't know if it is just our school, but we don't get much money from our school so we must fund almost the entire year ourselves.

Almost all MDIA programs have this problem including the a lot of the top programs. Fundraising is the answer.

[PNWLaxer]

The rule for placement is a Div 1-A football team. So any school that plays Div 1-AA, Div 2 or Div 3 is placed in the B division. Any team that is automatically placed in the B division can petition to play A at the discretion of the conference they play in. A couple of examples that come to mind are UCSB and Cal Poly in the WCLL Rhode Island in the PCLL and SFU in the PNCLL.

Lack of money is a lame excuse not to jump on the USD poster. A lot of teams get next to nothing from their schools, some receive nothing yet they still make the necessary trips OOC some more than once and many have gone on to compete for the National Championship. Creative thinking and long term planning can go a long way to solve money issues. Setting up alumni and booster clubs, endowment funds, scholarships and bursaries are some longer term solutions that many teams have initiated.

[CPLaxGM]

I suppose every team has to make their own decision regarding the Division that most suits their program. But I would have to argue that the amount of funds received from the school should not be one of the determining factors, at least not one of the main factors. The budget crisis that hit the state of California during the past few years directly affected us since we are a state institution; our funds from the school were slashed down to zero last season, and this year we received approximately $3500 from the university (around 5% of our total budget).

Here's some more food for thought: the WCLL currently has four teams ranked in the Division "A" MDIA Top 10 (Sonoma, UCSB, UCSD, Cal Poly). Since none of these schools has a Division 1A football team, all four schools are actually MDIA Division B teams according to MDIA rules. We all choose to "play up" in the "A" Division. I don't have the exact rule in front of me, but I don't think there is anything preventing any of our four teams from jumping back and forth from A to B from season to season. It's not likely to happen, but it's interesting to ponder the implications of a team deciding which Division to play in on an annual basis.

[LAX SAMURAI]

The write up from the NDNU website:


NDNU Outshoots Claremont in 13-5 Victory

The Argos took 37 shots to just 21 for Claremont, enroute to a 13-5 victory. Although NDNU won convincingly, the Argos spent much of the game racking up penalties. Cam Foss was solid in the win for the Argos and ended up with 3 goals and 3 assists. NDNU got more aggressive in the fourth quarter as they took the most shots (11). Marc Mackrides took the most shots of the game (9) and finished with 2 goals and assisted on 2. The Argos finished with 41 groundballs to just 19 for Claremont. Jon Munk led NDNU with 8 total groundballs. Dylan Sheridan notched each of the five goals for Claremont. Mike Ferrari spent 3 quarters in the goal for NDNU and came up with 11 total saves.