by LaxRef on Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:49 pm
Brent Burns wrote: "everyone is innocent until proven guilty."
by horn17 on Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:27 pm
by DanGenck on Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:20 pm
Brent Burns wrote:I am posting a friendly suggestion for all of us including myself as this is going to be my last post to this thread: why don't we all put ourselves on the sidelines right now and let everything play itself out until the dust settles?
by Lax_Stats on Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:31 pm
by lil lady lax fan on Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:51 pm
DanGenck wrote:Brent Burns wrote:I am posting a friendly suggestion for all of us including myself as this is going to be my last post to this thread: why don't we all put ourselves on the sidelines right now and let everything play itself out until the dust settles?
Brent, I have respected you on this board for a long time, so I apologize (as a friend) for the following post-
I believe 100% that statements like, "Lets wait and see" and "Let the system do its job" are the exact things that we should not do. There should be outrage over crimes as horrific as these, and that's not to say that we should jump all over people who have not been charged with a crime... but we should be irrate that a situation like this would come up in the first place. Standing on the sidelines gives the image that we want to be passive in the process... and if we're going to be passive, who's going to be aggressive?
by LaxRef on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:02 pm
horn17 wrote:I think he is trying to say the same thing Ref...who cares about OJ???
horn17 wrote:But he's innocent at the same time...now your contradicting yourself....
horn17 wrote:"What's true is that they are presumed innocent in our legal system until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt."
Who cares...it will get taken care of, nuff said...hopefully everything is rectified and they find the truth...
by DanGenck on Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:22 pm
Lax_Stats wrote:Dan I suggest you go sign up to be on the jury then, and I hope you don't have a son on the Duke team for his sake!! Wont you feel foolish if it should come out that these accusations are false and were made up by the women involved!?!?!?!?! Nuff said, I wont dignify with a response or contribute to this thread again as all the speculation is totally irresponsible! These postings by everyone make me embarrassed to be part of the lacrosse community right now and make us all sound like a bunch of old hens who got hold of a juicy subject or piece of gossip and just couldn’t let it go!!!! Remember what happened with the grape vine in the movie "Johnny Dangerously"???? The more the subject was talked about, the more the facts got blown out of proportion and distorted!!! Let's all be mature enough to just drop it!!! I'm done with this subject
by Sonny on Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:29 pm
Duke Press Release wrote:Durham, NC - Duke University President Richard H. Brodhead announced Tuesday that the university is suspending future games of the men’s lacrosse team until there is a clearer resolution of the legal situation involving team members.
The action, made in response to a request from team members, follows allegations of a sexual assault of a woman hired as a private dancer at a party attended by team members March 13 at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. Durham police are currently looking into the allegations, but no charges have been filed.
Brodhead issued the following statement:
“This past weekend, Duke University’s Director of Athletics Joe Alleva decided to forfeit last Saturday's and today's scheduled men’s lacrosse games. His decision, which I fully supported, was based on facts team members have acknowledged about their March 13 party. A majority of the team members attended the party, which included underage drinking and the hiring of private party dancers. This conduct was wholly inappropriate to the values of our athletics program and the university. Forfeiting two games was a substantial penalty for a team that hoped to compete for the national championship. Director Alleva made clear that this move was not a punishment for pending allegations that team members deny and that remain unresolved.
“As we move past the period of the two forfeitures, the question arises what to do now. This afternoon the captains of the Duke lacrosse team notified Mr. Alleva and me that the team wished to suspend competitive play until the DNA results come back. I met with the captains this morning and they expressed regret for their errors of judgment and the embarrassment they had caused themselves, their families, the athletic department and the university. They repeated their denial of the criminal allegations that have been widely reported against three of the players.“
Athletics Director Alleva and I welcomed these initiatives from the students. We believe that suspension of play is the right course of action, and we also see the importance of their taking responsibility for their conduct. In a slight modification, I have decided that future games should be suspended until there is a clearer resolution of the legal situation. I shared the decision this afternoon with the trustees, who fully support it.
“Let me explain my own thinking about the suspension of team play. Physical coercion and sexual assault are unacceptable in any setting and will not be tolerated at Duke. As none of us would choose to be the object of such conduct, so none of us has the right to subject another person to such behavior. Since they run counter to such fundamental values, the claims against our players, if verified, will warrant very serious penalties, both from the university and in the courts. The university community is based on mutual respect among all its members and for those in the larger community. We are all obliged to live up to these values to create the world where we all can thrive.
“I feel these things deeply; but there is another principle at stake as well. The facts of the March 13 episode remain unclear and there are very different accounts of the central events. No one has been charged by the police, and we know that many members of the lacrosse team, including some who were asked to provide DNA samples, did not attend the party. To determine responsibility, we need to learn the full truth as quickly as possible. While I have urged and do urge everyone to cooperate with this inquiry, unavoidably, we have to look to the Durham police to take the lead in the investigation. Duke does not have the power to compel testimony from citizens of this city, and it lacks access to warrants, DNA records and other confidential information. I have confidence in the authorities to find the truth and to take whatever legal steps are necessary in the best interests of the community.
“While we await the results of the investigation, I remind everyone that under our system of law, people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. One deep value the university is committed to is protecting us all from coercion and assault. An equally central value is that we must not judge each other on the basis of opinion or strong feeling rather than evidence of actual conduct.
“In this painful period of uncertainty, it is clear to me, as it was to the players, that it would be inappropriate to resume the normal schedule of play. Sports have their time and place, but when an issue of this gravity is in question, it is not the time to be playing games.”
by Sonny on Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:30 pm
Duke Lacrosse Team Captains wrote:Durham, NC - “The captains of the team met this morning with President Brodhead, and expressed sincere regret over the lapse in judgment in having the party on March 13 which has caused so much anguish for the Duke community and shame to our families and ourselves.
“We also stated unequivocally that any allegation that a sexual assault or rape occurred is totally and transparently false.
"The team has cooperated with the police in their investigation. We have provided authorities with DNA samples. The understanding is that the results of the DNA testing will be available sometime next week. The DNA results will demonstrate that these allegations are absolutely false.
“Because of the intense emotions surrounding these allegations, we feel it is in the best interest of the University, the community and our families that the team should not play competitively until the DNA results verify our unequivocal denial of these allegations.”
by Sonny on Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:32 pm
Team's DNA results may be ready in week
By JOHN STEVENSON, PAUL BONNER and RACHEL BERNSTEIN : The Herald-Sun
Mar 27, 2006 : 10:57 pm ET
DURHAM -- DNA samples from Duke University's lacrosse team arrived Monday afternoon at the SBI lab in Raleigh and results may be available next week to help determine if players were involved in an alleged gang-rape.
Several lawyers described the turnaround as lightning speed for the agency's chronically backlogged laboratory.
Noelle Talley, spokeswoman for the state Department of Justice, confirmed that the SBI lab "stands ready to work the case and has agreed to rush it."
by Sonny on Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:34 pm
The woman who says she was raped last week by three members of the Duke University lacrosse team thought she would be dancing for five men at a bachelor party, she said Friday. But when she arrived that night, she found herself surrounded by more than 40.
Just moments after she and another exotic dancer started to perform, she said, men in the house started barking racial slurs. The two women, both black, stopped dancing.
"We started to cry," she said. "We were so scared."
Forty-six members of the men's lacrosse team submitted DNA samples Thursday in the unusual case. As of late Friday, there had been no arrests. Duke officials briefed university staff Friday on the allegations, and authorities vowed to crack the team's wall of solidarity.
"We're asking someone from the lacrosse team to step forward," Durham police Cpl. David Addison said. "We will be relentless in finding out who committed this crime."
He emphasized the seriousness of the accusations -- first-degree rape, kidnapping, assault by strangulation and robbery.
Details of the accusations were made public this week in a warrant authorizing a search of the three-bedroom rental house where the attack is alleged to have taken place.
by lil lady lax fan on Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:38 pm
DanGenck wrote:Male treatment toward women is horrible these days, especially at the college level. We are way past "boys will be boys"... this is the issue I want to talk about... not who is guilty or who is going to jail.
by Sonny on Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:39 pm
Crowd gathers for 2nd protest
Mar 26, 2006 : 10:31 pm ET
DURHAM -- For the second time in 14 hours, a crowd of protesters gathered Sunday morning in front of a house where a woman allegedly was gang-raped by Duke University lacrosse players.
The 9 a.m. rally was billed as an early morning "wake-up call" to the Duke students who live in the house and in other student party houses across Buchanan Boulevard from East Campus.
It followed a Saturday evening candlelight vigil -- organized by people upset about the alleged attack, the lacrosse team's apparent refusal to cooperate with police and Duke's last-minute decision to forfeit a Saturday lacrosse match -- that attracted more than 75 people.
But Sunday's gathering drew a younger, more diverse crowd of more than 100, many of whom weren't on hand Saturday.
Participants -- some reportedly from as far away as Greensboro -- pounded pots, pans, drums and trash cans as they chanted for more than an hour in front of 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. The house was the site of a March 13 team party at which three lacrosse players allegedly attacked and gang-raped a woman hired to dance.
Many protesters held signs, including ones that said, "Get a conscience, not a lawyer," "All rapes deserve outrage," and "Outraged Duke alum." Another said, "Castrate!"
by Sonny on Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:50 pm
IL.com wrote:Duke games considered 'no contest' matches
March 28, 2006
Adam O'Neill
A press release from Duke University on Saturday stated that the men's lacrosse team would forfeit their games against Georgetown and Mount St. Mary's following a party that occurred on March 13, 2006.
Inside Lacrosse has confirmed with the NCAA that the games that Duke did not play against Georgetown and Mt. St. Mary’s are considered “no contest” games and not “forfeit” games.
In an e-mail from NCAA Associate Director for Playing Rules and Administration Ty Halpin, Halpin stated that “both these cases clearly are considered ‘no contest’” in accordance with the rule listed on page 444 of the DI manual.
As a result, the games Duke had scheduled against Georgetown and Mt. St. Mary’s will not officially count towards either team’s record and will statistically result as if the games had never been scheduled. Teams may not add contests to the schedule this late in the season.
The rule states “there is no forfeit of a contest until all participating teams are present and the referee or other appropriate contest official has assumed jurisdiction in accordance with the applicable playing rules. When a team does not appear (e.g., due to weather conditions, accidents, breakdown of vehicles, illness or catastrophic causes), a forfeit is not recorded. An institution shall not, for statistical purposes, declare a forfeit for nonfulfillment of a contract. Such instances shall be considered as ‘no contest.’”
by Danny Hogan on Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:54 pm
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