WCLL Playoffs

[WaterBoy]

I'm sure it's listed somewhere, but I know that it's not on the WCLL site.

Does anyone know where I can find more information about the WCLL playoffs? Both in terms of dates and times, and also in terms of what the divisional pairings are? If memore serves me, someone said something about the possibility of UCSB and Sonoma meeting each other in the first or second round, which to me indicates that it must be LA and North on one side and South/ Central on the other.

Can anyone verify?

I'm going to try to start putting together what I think the playoff picture may be turning into at this point- one of my long posts that people skim over.

[Bluevelvet]

I think you are correct about LA vs. North or Central this year. It was on WCLL website last year, you just have to sort of interpret the 2005 info. It talks about odd years but not even years.http://wcll.com/2005/playoffs.cfm

[lil lady lax fan]

The article posted in the news section of the USLIA website about the WCLL fall meeting had information in there about the playoffs and league championship. Here's the link.

http://www.uslia.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=300

Hope that helps.

BTW, Is Harder Stadium a grass or turf field?

[CATLAX MAN]

It is a grass field, UCSBs soccer stadium. UCSB does have a turf field now that is used from time to time for lacrosse.

[Bluevelvet]

Yes, Harder is the home of the 2004 NCAA D1 men's soccer national runner up. It is very near the Pit (across the road).
The team will have the use of the stadium clock and scoreboard for this event, thus eliminating a problem in prior contests at Harder.

[WaterBoy]

Thanks for the info- just figured it also needed to start getting out there for us fan types.

So there is a flip in the pairings this year, (but not until the semis) that could put last years championship game in the Semi's. That could be interesting.

[Homebrew]

After checking the http://www.uslia.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=300 link, the following information was posted:

2006 WCLL B Division Alignment
North
Pacific
UC Santa Cruz
Pepperdine
Cal Lutheran
Claremont

South
San Diego
UNLV
Occidental
UC Irvine
Biola

However, both the WCLL and USLMDIA websites put all B Division teams in one table. Is this an oversight?

[Lions Middie]

If 3 teams tie at 2-2 in a division, does anyone know what the tiebreaking system is?

[Bluevelvet]

I think this happened last year with ASU, AZ and UCSD.

WCLL Tie Breaker Rules:
1. Record in head to head games between, among, tied teams.
2. Differential in scores in games between, among, tied teams.
3. Differential in scores in games with teams within their division (ie. Division A North, Division A South, etc.) 4. Differential in scores in games with common opponents.
5. Coin Flip.

[westcoastlax]

It should be an arm wrestling match between the teams leading scorers instead of a coin flip.

[WaterBoy]

There use to be information on the WCLL website about it- but now it just indicates that there will be information coming soon.

Last year this happened in the WCLL south, with ASU, UCSD, and Arizona ending up tied at 2-2.

It's not up there, but I found the order on the PNCLL website from their 2005 information (yeah, it was well hidden since it was the first of about seven conference sites that I checked that didn't have playoff info up yet).

Tiebreakers are determined by

1) Head to Head Games
2) Goal differential between tied teams
3) Laxpower RPI ratings (I think this one might be only PNCLL, since I don't remember it- but it also generally shouldn't get this far.)

Since I would guess you were asking about the LA division (though the central might have something similar for second place), this is what it would take for a 2-2 three way tie. I'm also going to assume that you're referring to a tie for second place, since it is impossible for both UCLA and UCSB to end up 2-2 (they play each other and they're both 2-0, unless you're counting on infinite overtime)

1) Either UCLA or UCSB have to lose the rest of their games, which is to say one the one that loses the game against the other has to lose it's other game. If UCLA loses, they have to lose to LMU. If UCSB loses, they have to lose to USC.

2) One of the three remaining teams (LMU, USC, Chapman) needs to end up 1-3 (There are only ten wins to give out here)

Give it a week. After this week there will be enough games played to tell if this is a plausible result- at this point it is, but the games have to play out basically perfectly in order for it to happen. I would say a two way tie is likely, but for third place.

If I were to guess based on what's happened so far this season, I would have-

UCSB - 4-0
UCLA - 3-1
Chapman 2-2
USC - 1-3
LMU - 0-4

[WaterBoy]

Oh... looks like mine is both inaccurate and out of date already. I had it done a while ago, but it wouldn't let me post because of those php errors.

[Bluevelvet]

He may have been asking about one of the B divisions. The WCLL website URL for my above post is:http://wcll.com/2005/playoffs.cfm
It is located under the History menu :2005 playoffs.

[Hackalicious]

I think this is what the playoff picture looks like:

G1: North #1 Sonoma vs. Central #2 Cal/Stanford winner
G2: Central #1 Cal Poly vs. North #2 Davis/Chico winner
G3: LA #1 UCLA/UCSB winner vs. South #2
G4: South #1 vs. UCLA/UCSB loser

G1 vs. G3 winners
G2 vs. G4 winners

(Assuming Cal Poly over SCU and UCLA over LMU)

If ASU beats Arizona, they win the South and UCSD takes second with a win over SDSU.

If Arizona beats ASU by more than 1 goal, they win the South and UCSD takes second with a win over SDSU.

If Arizona won by exactly one goal, then it would be a three-way tie and I think it would go to goal differential within the division.Both ASU and 'Zona beat SDSU by exactly 10 goals. If that's the case, then I think UCSD could win the division by beating SDSU by more than 10, and would not make the playoffs if they won by less than 10 or lost.

Crazy situation.

[Sonny]

If ASU beats Arizona, they win the South and UCSD takes second with a win over SDSU.

If Arizona beats ASU by more than 1 goal, they win the South and UCSD takes second with a win over SDSU.

If Arizona won by exactly one goal, then it would be a three-way tie and I think it would go to goal differential within the division.Both ASU and 'Zona beat SDSU by exactly 10 goals. If that's the case, then I think UCSD could win the division by beating SDSU by more than 10, and would not make the playoffs if they won by less than 10 or lost.

Crazy situation.

Win or go home. Wow. It's crazy to think that this might be Arizona's final game before the National Championship Tournament Field is announced.