UCSD 15, Chapman 14 OT FINAL (Sat, 3/18/06)

[Bluevelvet]

Overtime!
Dean drove to the crease, dished and #25 McCall scored the winner. Mc Call had multiple goals today. UCSD comes back and wins in overtime again.
Redwing thinks the final was 15-14.
Seems like UCSD owns the last 5 minutes.
Chapman has lost in OT to 2 top 10 teams.

[SilkyD]

What a nail-biter!

[Bluevelvet]

Redwing says the final was 15-14 UCSD.
McCall had 8 goals for UCSD!
Nick Dean had estimated 2 or 3 goals and estimated 6-8 assists.

[Chaplax23]

Redwing
Nick Dean had estimated 2 or 3 goals and estimated 6-8 assists.

Saw the game. Dean had 4 goals and 4 assists. (Thought he only had two, but I guess it was 4 assists.) That is close to 8 though.

"UCSD is having a bad day. Nick Dean has been dishing off and the other players can't bury the shot."

UCSD's midfield (including bench players) has less than 30 goals total COMBINED this season. They don't tend to bury shots. This game was nothing different. This wasn't a bad day. This is how UCSD plays.

These two teams always have close games, and this game was no different.

[WaterBoy]

Alright. I guess I'll take this one...

I was there too- and I've seen UCSD quite a few times this season, living next to the school. I can assure you of two things- first that UCSD did not have a stellar game today (not simply because of the score).

Make no mistake- I believe that Chapman is a very strong team- possessing the strenght to capitalize when UCSD is playing poorly, which is exactly what happened for 40 minutes of the game today. I think Chapman has the brewings of becoming a force to be reckoned with over the next few years.

Either way- Chapman had this one pretty safely locked up and let it slip- a testament I think both to coaching adjustments from UCSD and the youth of Chapman. UCSD was fortunate to come back into the game and take the win.

As I've said and will continue to say until I feel disproven- Chapman needs to get some consistency- they certainly have the talent.

Also- unless memory fails me, every game between Chapman and UCSD, except for last years, for the past 4 years or so has been either overtime or a one goal game (this is more games than it may seem since they used to hit each other first round in the playoffs frequently). Generally a close game here, and I would say probably fair to call this game a rivalry match.

[Chaplax23]

well said

[Chaplax23]

Bluevelvet says, "So let me get this straight, Chuck.
1. Redwing estimated that Dean had 2 and 6/8. He had 4 and 4. Pretty close, 8 points. He didn't look at the scoresheet.
2. Early on we mentioned that UCSD had a weak midfield.
3. "UCSD had a bad day". Redwing was a first team all american middie and I'll take his opinion over yours any day. Waterboy confirmed that Redwing was correct, UCSD had a bad day.

I think it is pretty insulting to critcize the people who sit in front of their computers all afternoon to get the information to interested fans. You're welcome, Chuck!"

This is a forum where people post opinions. People are anonymous (which is funny, because you compare me to a real first team all american without even knowing who I am). When you make statements based on a telephone conversation with somebody at the game, like playing telephone as a kid, there may be some good details left out. For this, you might get some criticism from other posters. You ogle over Nick Dean in your posts, a very solid player, but not even a mention of Chapman attackman Marcus Woden who had one less point then Dean, and averages .2 less goals a game then Dean. Until you figure out how to give a balanced game report, be prepared to take heat from people that were actually at the game. Take lessons from Waterboy on how to give a fair shake on things.

[Bluevelvet]

Redwing & I reported the game as it was happening, without the benefit of hindsight. You and Waterboy came back later and pretty much confirmed that Redwing and I were right.
By the way, Waterboy was disagreeing with you. He said that UCSD had a bad game.
Your criticism seems to be that Nick Dean's individual stats were estimated incorrectly. It was an estimate!
You also seem to be saying that Nick Dean was not as much of a factor as one of the Chapman attackmen.
Let's see if Waterboy, or anyone else, agrees with you on that one.

The live action game report is not an analysis. It is a report as it happens. UCSD beat Chapman in OT. It was not a defensive struggle. Chapman blew a 3 goal lead in the last few minutes. UCSD had a bad game and won anyway. Nick Dean dominated, McCall had 8 goals. That's what happened and that is what we reported. Cut the crap. There was nothing misleading about that report.
Chapman, now 7-5, suffered a devastating loss today and you can't take it. So you quibble about individual stats, whether UCSD played up to par and whether Marcus Wooden is as good as Nick Dean. What a loser.

[Chaplax23]

This is getting stupid. Waterboy said that Chapman took advantage of UCSD's inability to act, a bit different that what you are saying. I agree totally. This is a young team that needs to learn how to finish. Your comments sound like a playground fight. You do little but say how easy the game was for one player (Dean), and you give no respect to a team that led the entire game. Grow up a bit. You call a player a loser that has 7 points in a one goal game, one point less then Dean? It was a hard game fought by two good teams, yet you dumb it down to this level. You don't even see the game, and yet you demean an entire team for personal gratification. Please do us a favor and stay off the message boards.

[Albert Man]

I just want to thank everyone that gives live action reports. Even if people aren't getting information by refreshing the reports, it's a great way to get a feel of the game that end of the game reports can't always fully capture. It was great reading sequential reports about Utah Cal Poly SLO, Utah UMD, FSU BYU, etc. even if we don't read it live. Keep it up! It's great!

There have been several posts in the message boards about teams having "bad games"... What's not said is that the opponents they are playing against have alot to do with those teams having "bad games", and its unfair not to recognize this. Of course every team feels like it could have done better. Results are results.

I have not seen Chapman throughout the season, only 2 more recent games... But I will tell you that Chapman right now is playing top 10 caliber lacrosse. If you don't know the names Farinelli and Wooden now, you will in the next 1-3 years.

Because of the way the WCLL is structured and because of very well-coached and motivated UCLA team, Chapman may not make the WCLL playoffs, but to not consider Chapman as a strong contender for an at large bid would be a huge mistake. I guarentee you that no top 16 team would feel comfortable seeing Chapman in Dallas. In their remaining schedule they have 2 teams on the verge of a top 25 ranking left (Oregon St. and Florida) and FSU left, and I would definitely keep an eye out for them.

[Bluevelvet]

You call a player a loser that has 7 points in a one goal game, one point less then Dean?

Chuck, I called you a loser.

Alright. I guess I'll take this one...

I was there too- and I've seen UCSD quite a few times this season, living next to the school. I can assure you of two things- first that UCSD did not have a stellar game today (not simply because of the score).

The score was reported. No one said anything about Chapman not playing well. They had a three goal lead, they had the W; they blew it. UCSD took advantage and won.
I mentioned Farinelli quite a few times, the only Chapman player I know by name.
This is ridiculous. Both Redwing and Waterboy have seen UCSD play. They both thought that UCSD did not play well. In a live action update there is no time for analysis.
Next time Chuck, go to the WCLL forum and provide your amazing insight.
Next time you go to a Chapman game, Chuck, call in your own updates and feel free to report the game as you see it.
Chuck, you wanted a pro Chapman game report. Well, you didn't get it. You got a neutral one.

[CyLaxKeeper00]

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[lil lady lax fan]

As one of the folks taking phone calls for these posts I've found that the ones doing the reporting try to keep me apprized of what's happening with BOTH teams so fans of BOTH teams get the full picture. Sometimes they may not know/see who made the goal or assisted with the goal, but they try to at least give me a jersey number to work with. I will sometimes include comments about how the teams are doing, but have made it a policy to not dis a team or player in the reports. NEITHER HAS ANY OF THE FOLKS CALLING ME DONE THIS EITHER!!! They understand the one of the key rules of good sportsmanship -- if you can't say something nice don't say it at all.

And Chuck, saying that BlueVelvet's daughter is doing the postings was uncalled for. As a mother of two girls I found that rather insulting. Please keep those kind of comments either to your PM's or yourself.

Sorry about the rant folks. Just thought I'd add my .02 on this.

[Bluevelvet]

OK, You all win. I will never report on another Chapman game. When I report on any other team, posters say thank you. Chapman is different.
Maybe part of the problem was that Redwing was not reporting each goal. He would call with general impressions of the game and game scoring updates. There were usually several goals between updates. He was not keeping track of who scored for either team.
I asked about Nick Dean because a poster asked and he is a national star. I asked about Farinelli because I knew about him. Redwing didn't mention any of the scorers unless I asked.
I thought that the updates were accurate and reflected the flavor of the game. The individual stats were pretty much non existent in this game for both teams. No one was dissed.

[lil lady lax fan]

Reporting styles also vary. A lot of times its difficult to see who exactly made the goal. Our at-the-game reporters should be highly commended for their contributions. They are doing this out of a love of the game and to share some of the excitement they are experiencing. They don't have pads of paper to record things on, or may not be able to phone in as consistently as they would like. DooDoo happens, so give them a break.

BlueVelvet, sorry for the confusion about my dissing comment. I doubt if Redwing would have done that in any event. He was reporting to the best of his knowledge. Sent you a PM about that. Hope this helps.