Best Players from one high school

[strykr11]

CSU's Pat Bird (O'Dowd) will be one of the best middies in the MDIA over the next three years.

So will Cal's Cameron Sampson (Berkeley High)

[Ravaging Beast]

Well there are....How do you know the reasons any player from outside the district transferred?

How would you know someone's reason for transferring to Berkeley High. The only reason people transferred there was so they didn't have to go to Richmond or Oakland schools. The only exception was women’s basketball. They managed to recruit people from all over the bay area.
No one in their right mind would transfer to Berkeley High for lacrosse. Until about 6 or 7 years ago, no one had played before they got to high school. Except for Oakland and Monterra, there weren't any juniors lacrosse teams in the area. People usually joined the team so they wouldn't have to take PE classes.
Some of this information you get seems like you google, copy, and paste. The internet is not always right. You might have to base it on experience or you can just wait for someone like me to tell you how it really is.

[Bluevelvet]

Well there are....How do you know the reasons any player from outside the district transferred?...Not having your sport at your local public high school is a valid reason for an interdistrict transfer at Berkeley High. Not only Lacrosse but also Crew, Modern Dance, wanting to take Latin(that is a favorite) or Swahili etc. It goes on and on....

Who are they?
Once again, Stryker, you argue possiblities as if they were a reality. Are you actually arguing that the Berkeley high lacrosse team is loaded with transfers from Oakland and Richmond because those schools don't have lacrosse and that Berkeley High has it's pick of all the outstanding Oakland and Richmond lacrosse players. Jeez, that is just ridiculous. There aren't more than a few Lacrosse players in Oakland and Richmond, total. Berkeley High has a difficult time getting it's own, home grown minority students to try out for lacrosse let alone recruit at a school that has no players. Ask Ravaging Beast or Laxaholic, they went to BHS.
There are many interdistrict transfers at BHigh. None, that I am aware of, are for lacrosse. I have only heard of one attempt and that was Lucio, he was denied.
There may be some Berkeley High students that live outside of Berkeley. A couple of them may be on the lacrosse team but I guarantee you they did not finagle their way into Berkeley High for lacrosse.

[strykr11]

Well there are....How do you know the reasons any player from outside the district transferred?

How would you know someone's reason for transferring to Berkeley High. I went to Berkeley High and the only reason people transferred there was so they didn't have to go to Richmond or Oakland schools. The only exception was women's basketball. They managed to recruit people from all over the bay area.
No one in their right mind would transfer to Berkeley High for lacrosse. Until about 6 or 7 years ago, no one had played before they got to high school. E

I guess we agree then as to why people transfer to B High and that in effect B High draws players from a larger area-Richmond and Oakland as well as Berkeley. Lacrosse is only one of a number of valid reasons that can be used to justify transferring in. 6 or 7 and even three years ago it wasn't, as it was not a CIF sport. Women's Basketball is not a valid reason as most of the Oakland area public Schools have women's Basketball teams. Why is it so implausible that a kid from Oakland or Richmond would transfer to B High as they were the #1 team in NorCal in 03 and #2 in 04, if he wanted to play HS lax and his school did not have a team?

[Bluevelvet]

Stryker-
You just don't have a clue.
People with first hand experience tell you the realities and you continue to ignore the truth and try to fashion a theoretical argument that is patently absurd.
Name a Berkeley High player from outside the district who transferred to Berkeley High for lacrosse.
Better yet, name a good lacrosse player from the Oakland or Richmond public school system.

[strykr11]

Well there are....How do you know the reasons any player from outside the district transferred?...Not having your sport at your local public high school is a valid reason for an interdistrict transfer at Berkeley High. Not only Lacrosse but also Crew, Modern Dance, wanting to take Latin(that is a favorite) or Swahili etc. It goes on and on....

Who are they?
Once again, Stryker, you argue possiblities as if they were a reality. Are you actually arguing that the Berkeley high lacrosse team is loaded with transfers from Oakland and Richmond because those schools don't have lacrosse and that Berkeley High has it's pick of all the outstanding Oakland and Richmond lacrosse players. Jeez, that is just ridiculous. There aren't more than a few Lacrosse players in Oakland and Richmond, total. Berkeley High has a difficult time getting it's own, home grown minority students to try out for lacrosse let alone recruit at a school that has no players. Ask Ravaging Beast or Laxaholic, they went to BHS.
There are many interdistrict transfers at BHigh. None, that I am aware of, are for lacrosse. I have only heard of one attempt and that was Lucio, he was denied.
There may be some Berkeley High students that live outside of Berkeley. A couple of them may be on the lacrosse team but I guarantee you they did not finagle their way into Berkeley High for lacrosse.

I don't think I used the word "loaded". The kid who will probably be the leading scorer this year is not a Berkeley resident. As for Lucio you are mixing a time when lacrosse was a club sport up with the present when it is a CIF sport. There are quite a few lacrosse players in Oakland. Most of the kids who go to O'Dowd live there and College Prep and Head Royce also have teams. You are correct about the number of interdistrict transfers at Berkeley High. It is loaded with them both legal transfers and ones claiming Berkeley addresses. I never said anything about recruiting players. I only made the comment that no one wants to go to those public schools and that Berkeley High and O' Dowd were the real choice for serious players in a rather large area. Where do you get the idea that Richmond and Oakland are all minorities? It is largely a Hills Flatland divide.

[strykr11]

Stryker-
You just don't have a clue.
People with first hand experience tell you the realities and you continue to ignore the truth and try to fashion a theoretical argument that is patently absurd.
Name a Berkeley High player from outside the district who transferred to Berkeley High for lacrosse.
Better yet, name a good lacrosse player from the Oakland or Richmond public school system.

I think you do not understand the gist of what I have written. Because the schools in Oakland and Richmond are so terrible, for those kids who are coming out of the local clubs and want to play at a level above Saint Mary's, College Prep and Head Royce, the choice for a large area is Berkeley High and O'Dowd. There ae no good lacrosse players in the Oakland or Richmond public school system. They have no teams. I never said or implied that they did or that there were any good players in those schools.

[Bluevelvet]

I think you do not understand the gist of what I have written. Because the schools in Oakland and Richmond are so terrible, for those kids who are coming out of the local clubs and want to play at a level above Saint Mary's, College Prep and Head Royce, the choice for a large area is Berkeley High and O'Dowd. There ae no good lacrosse players in the Oakland or Richmond public school system. They have no teams. I never said or implied that they did or that there were any good players in those schools.

The gist of what you argued was that despite the fact that the Acalanes lacrosse club had players from several schools at the same time, it was no advantage because Berkley High could grab anyone from Richmond to San Leandro.
This argument is ridiculous because no one transfers to Berkeley High for lacrosse. In theory, maybe they could, but they don't. Most Berkley High transfers don't know what lacrosse is.
Another thing you have mixed up is that we have been discussing pre CIF lacrosse. That is when Acalanes lacrosse club existed. In those pre CIF years, no one transferred to Berkeley to play lacrosse and they still don't.
There is a big difference between reality and theory. You seem to have a hard time differentiating.
I suggest you stick to huckstering Cal's academic reputation ad nauseum and your ongoing effort to prove that Cal club sports rules allow you to play an additional year of lacrosse despite the MDIA rules to the contrary.

Back to the original topic:

Berkeley, ODowd and SI players starting for UCSB:

Attack:
Hank Calkins SI 1st team MDIA all american
Luke Wilson SI 1st team MDIA all american
Jim Clark ODowd
Scott Erickson ODowd

Midfield:
Ben Schooler Berkeley 1st team MDIA all american & face off
Tom Smith Berkeley MDIA all american
Dave Ellis SI MDIA all american
Stefan Isaksen Berkeley
Nick Schooler Berkeley

Defensive Midfield;
Alex Wilson SI
Lief Sorensen Berkeley
Scott Holmes Berkeley

LSM:
Damon Conklin SI MDIA all american
Will Crowe ODowd all WCLL

Defense:
Tycho Suter SI 1st team MDIA all american
Brendan Lucker Berkeley
Andrew Day Berkeley all WCLL

Goalie:
Ryan Brittain SI 1st team MDIA all american
Mike Wood ODowd

Others MDIA:
MJ Crickmore Berkeley 1st team MDIA all american & MDIA MVP Sonoma
Julian Coffman Berkeley MDIA all american Oregon
Pat Byrd ODowd MDIA all american CSU

Others D1:
Ben Horn SI Navy
Pete Ellis SI Md.
Drew Virk SI Md.
Sam Geller Berkeley Fairfield

These are all I can think of right now. I'm sure Catlaxman will know some more.

[strykr11]

The gist of what you argued was that despite the fact that the Acalanes lacrosse club had players from several schools at the same time, it was no advantage because Berkley High could grab anyone from Richmond to San Leandro.
This argument is ridiculous because no one transfers to Berkeley High for lacrosse. In theory, maybe they could, but they don't. Most Berkley High transfers don't know what lacrosse is.

The Old Acalanes Club, SI and Berkeley all currently have or had players from a geographic area served by numerous public high schools. A good number of those UCSB/SI players on your list are from outside San Francisco. The fact that Berkeley High has a winning lacrosse tradition as well as an excellent academic reputation surely factors into the decision of a student who is a dedicated player and is from Oakland and considering which High School to go to.

[bste_lax]

What happened to the original thread on this board? I made a post and now it's gone.

J/K......put to sum up last post I had on this, Plano Senior High School had about 10 guys just from the 2000 team who were All-conference with Simon Telfer being all-USL MDIA and two guys who are on D2/D3 teams.

[Ravaging Beast]

bste_lax
Where is Plano Senior High? I have never heard of it.

[Baller1]

More SI D1
Micheal Abou-Jaoude SI Bucknell Starting defensemen
Mike and Tom Corbolotti SI Cornell midfield
Matt Fredericks SI Georgetown Defense
Sam Madison SI midfield Hobart

[bste_lax]

bste_lax
Where is Plano Senior High? I have never heard of it.

Northern Suburb of Dallas. They are not as good as they use to be (i.e. 1998-2000 teams were real good), but they are still solid. Coach Reach left and Coach Braceland took over as head coach 2 years ago. He use to play at Plano in mid/early-90s and went on to play at and be a captain at Cornell then returned to be an assistant coach and now head coach. They are starting to have a sick team again. They had a goalie and a defensemen (sporting my old #30 well I see) who were all-state or atleast all-region last year and they were both only sophomores. They also got a middie who is a brother of the goalie who is real good. They did lose Chris Deeke at middie who was one of the better scorers. They also got a middie in Mike Vaccaro who will be a junior who has been on varsity since his freshmen year plus his older brother plays at Wooster. He is decent FOGO and has a solid stick.

http://www.planolacrosse.com

[bste_lax]

Plano players who have received all-conference or all-USL MDIA (this is going off memory and might have missed a couple:

Greg Deeke - A&M
Mark Lamb - A&M
Matt Hughes - A&M
Zach Kurzweil - Texas Tech
Matt Benson - Iowa
Ben Czekaj - Steven F. Austin
Simon Telfer - Texas
Ryan Gentry - Texas Tech
Chris Files - North Texas

That's all I can think of for now, then also had many solid contributers like Joey Gentry at Texas Tech, Jon Nickel and Mike Cowherd at Texas and some of Plano's best didn't even play in college or quit after a year. Plano's all-time leading scorer (or atleast he was as of 2002), Evan Hoffman played 1 year at Texas then quit. A few are in D2/D3 schools too.

I am sure I missed some names but I had long post with everyone last night, but it got deleted when they moved this topic from the WCLL board to here.

[CATLAX MAN]

Here's a few more SI, Berkeley & O'Dowd players not previously mentioned:

Jon Wiley SSU WCLL 2nd leading scorer last year SI
Henri Revel SCU 3rd team MDIA AA SI
Eric Dahm SSU MDIA AA SI
Brian Cummings MDIA AA O'Dowd
Pat Fitzgibbon USC SI
Pete Langkammerer SSU SI
Brian Bianchi SSU SI
John Flaherty SSU SI
Scott Brittain SCU SI
Kevin Bianchi SCU SI
Matt Paver SCU SI
Justin Boland SDSU SI
Devin Muna USD SI



Other Varsity
Joe Boswell Dartmouth SI
Brian Schimanek Muhlenberg SI

I'm sure that there are more but these are the ones that come immediately to mind.