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[DanGenck]

Last weekend, our girl's soccer team defeated Taft 1-0 for probably the first time in 10 years. The girls are having a great season and could possibly win the Founder's League if they keep on their current winning trend.

Taft sent a video to our school that showed one of our players kicking a Taft player after the ball was cleared away from them. The referees did not see the play and no penalty was called. Also- The girl who was kicked has not been hurt enough to stop playing. This incident was inappropriate, unsportsmanlike and disappointing, but the play had little to no outcome on the game.

Taft has asked our school to forfeit the game in the league standings because of the kicking incident, which would put Taft back in the running for the championship and New England play-off participation. We have suspended our player indefinitely and referred her to counseling in our health center.

Should we be forced to give up the game?

[Sonny]

Should we be forced to give up the game?

You honestly have to ask this question Dan?

[DanGenck]

Yes because it looks as if Taft may not accept our self sanctions. Obviously there must be a core of people out there that think that cheap shots equal "no contests". I would like to hear from those people if they are out there...

[Beta]

That is ridiculous. I do not know soccer rules. But that makes my brain hurt. That's like a football team going back and saying "that was a personal foul and should have been called". Only this is even less severe since no one was hurt and it didnt not even affect the play itself. Had the penalty been called it would have been at worst an ejection...but never a forfeit. Wow. I am amazed. If she had pulled a "Billy Cole" from The Last Boy Scout I would understand.

[Sonny]

Yes because it looks as if Taft may not accept our self sanctions.

Who cares if they do or do not accept your self sanctions? Isn't the Founder's League governed by some type of higher high school association?

[DanGenck]

It is, but schools like Taft and Hotchkiss are the Stanford and Texas of the league, and therefore have quite a bit of clout to swing votes. Most schools strive to be like Taft and are usually "monkey see, monkey do".

I am not sure what else has happened with this case but I will keep anyone posted who is interested. It really is ridiculous and I worry this may be a step in the wrong direction for athletics...

[Danny Hogan]

the fact that you guys have pressure to respond is ridiculous. tell they to go pound sand.

[Sonny]

I don't think I've ever seen a game result (high school, college, or pro) ever overturned due to a play that was uncalled on the field by the game officials. This would be a first.

Even if they opposing team filed a protest during the game over the "non-call," you typically can't protest judgement calls. Certainly complaining about the "non-call" after the contest smacks of sour grapes.

[DanGenck]

Sonny, if you were our AD, I would high five you for the "sour grapes" comment. In fact, I would toss in an extra high five if you actually said that to the Taft AD.

[Brent Burns]

Remmy what John Paul Jones once said, "...I have not yet begun to fight."

BTW, after doing Google Fight, Dan, the result is in...

Kent School 24.4 million results

Taft School 2.0 million results

[tamu33]

The only self sanctions that should occur are the ones that you have already enforced. Suspending the player indefinitely. If the foul would have been called... most likely (depending on the severity of the incident) it would be called a red or yellow card and a free kick. The result of the player missing the rest of the game could change the outcome of the game but since the game was deemed official, only you have the authority to enforce penalties regarding that game. (eligibility issues are another thing) Should you forfeit, you would set a precedent. Like Sonny said, I have never seen a game overturned because a no call.

Besides, is there anyone among us that hasn't tried to give a little elbow here or a push there. Fouls occur all over the field whether the ref sees it or not. If you let video become a determining factor in this game, who knows where it will lead.

[NELAX21]

I only wish the Huskers could go back and file all the "no calls" the refs have been making this year. we would be 6-0 if we could take back every big play other teams have made cause they hold us on 90% of the plays and only 2 have been called this year.

[Jolly Roger]

Ali,

This isn't to pick on you, but, since I've heard and seen this error numerous times I finally had to speak out.

Should you forfeit, you would set a precedence.

I think you mean the latter of the two options below:

prec•e•dence n.
1. The fact, state, or right of preceding; priority: Applications arriving first will receive precedence.
2. Priority claimed or received because of preeminence or superiority: The company asserted its precedence as the leading manufacturer of microchips.
3. A ceremonial order of rank or preference, especially as observed on formal occasions: Recipients of military honors were called in order of precedence highest ranking officers first.


prec•e•dent n. (Plural precedents)
1. An act or instance that may be used as an example in dealing with subsequent similar instances.
2. Law. A judicial decision that may be used as a standard in subsequent similar cases: a landmark decision that set a legal precedent.
3. Convention or custom arising from long practice: The President followed historical precedent in forming the Cabinet.

Sorry, it's become a pet peeve.

Carry on.

[tamu33]

noted... and edited. I thank you for informing me of the correct usage of the word. And yes, I do mean the latter of the two options.

This isn't to pick on you, but, since I've heard and seen this error numerous times I finally had to speak out.

Are you saying that you have seen this error by me several times? I don't remember any other time where I talked about this subject.

[Jolly Roger]

Are you saying that you have seen this error by me several times? I don't remember any other time where I talked about this subject.

Not your past usage but rather what I've seen/heard within the USLIA.com population.