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[Scrape Mode]

When I cast my vote for league awards, conduct to me is a huge factor.

Tell me, how do you feel about T.O.? Would you refute the fact that he was one of the top 3 receivers in the NFL last season. I'm guessing you don't like the way Owens and Moss "conduct" themselves. Does that mean you would toss them to the side and give a less deserving player an award (all theoretical)?!?!

You say conduct is a huge factor. And you are a voter?!
I say conduct has absolutely nothing to do with an athletes performance on the field. I may be mistaken, but aren't awards based on pure performance.

[Jar Dangerous]

Lacrosse like many other college sports has integrated multi-conference play in order to better be able to judge or rate teams and conferences. It is quite obvious that this year Oregon has played very well against the top 25 in the nation. Seeing that they recovered from an early stumble at Simon Frasier and went on to compete very well with the top 25 shows they are preparing themselves very well for Minnesota. For the Washington people around the league putting in votes for their players... don't kid yourselfs. Oregon has two key offensive weapons that change any coaches game plan. No other players asside from the two oregon player deserve the PNCLL League MVP. Points mean nothing in comparison to how you play and how you play when it counts. If you think I'm wrong then tell me who in the PNCLL would be able to go further than Oregon in Minnesota.

[Kyle Berggren]

...and I strongly disagree. The team you play for makes NO difference on whether or not you're the league MVP. If Danny Ernst played for WSU, and they lost every game this season, he would not be any further down the list for league MVP. The quality of his teammates does not make him a better MVP than say, Random Guy from Idaho. Winning games is a team thing, and we hope the MVP can help his team win games, but just because Oregon is the dominant team in the PNCLL doesn't mean the awards go to their team.

One of my top picks for MVP is Rick Kladis from Gonzaga, and his team limped into the playoffs. He was a high school All-American, and has averaged over 5 ppg for his career. Now, because he plays at Gonzaga, is he less deserving than Danny or Julian? I don't think so.

If you're trying to present your case, let me make a quick summary....

Oregon played a very tough schedule, and will be prepared for Blaine. They are the best. Therefore, the best players play for them. Points don't matter. " If you think I'm wrong then tell me who in the PNCLL would be able to go further than Oregon in Minnesota."

If Danny and Julian played for Idaho, would they be less deserving of either MVP? I don't think so. They play for a great team, with incredible coaching, and a more than solid group of guys around them. The award they earn as a team is the championship. I hope you can understand what I'm getting at. Danny and Julian may very well be front runners for the awards, but being a Duck doesn't mean they're an MVP.

[Dr. Jason Stockton]

Scrape mode. . .my point is that, with all other things being equal, the better sportsman is going to get my vote. If a guy is a jerk on the field but is obviously the most deserving of an award, he'll likely get my vote. But if it is close. . .I'll vote for the classy, team player that lets his play do the talking. . .i.e. Danny Ernst, Rick Kladis, Ben Sadler.

And yes, I love T.O. But if he and Marvin Harrison have the same numbers, Marvin gets my vote. It's as simple as that.

[Dan Wishengrad]

God does not burst from a burning bush and deliver unto us the MVP stone tablets. Nor does the Lord decree the method by which his apostles shall choose the new lacrosse messiahs. Bishops (Head Coaches) vote after each game for 2-4 all-stars from the opposing teams. They are free to award these votes how ever they see fit. If they choose do so on talent, hustle, execution, heart, class, sportmanship, religious piety or based on who has the hottest babe shall not be revealed, except to the holy conclave of Cardinals (the six voting members of the PNCLL Executive Board, led by Cardinal-President Josh Barbour). The Cardinals will sequester thenselves in deliberations over the all-star papacy votes. When a consensus is reached, smoke will be released, bells will peal, and the overall MVP shall appear on the balcony before the adoring masses, resplendent in new robes.

But let's get real, people. The MVP usually always comes from the dominant team, if there is one, in most sports. Andre Dawson winning National League MVP on a losing Cub team is the only such award I can ever remember. Michael Jordan didn't win his first MVP until the Bulls started winning.

This is usually true of all-star selections and all-American awards too. UW, for example, has had two honorable mention A.A.s -- Ian Fair and Kevin Bass -- and both came following the '02 season when we won the league and went to St. Louis. To the victors belong the spoils, at least usually. SFU always dominated the all-star teams when they were the dominant team, and their top gun was usually the MVP and USLIA/MDIA All-American. Oregon reaped most the awards last year.

The PNCLL Overall MVP in 2004 was not only truly deserving of the award for outstanding play, he was also an extremely well-liked individual who represented his team with sportsmanship and class, on and off the field. If his "numbers" weren't the best in the league -- or even on his own team, didn't matter in the the slightest to the coaches who gave him their all-star votes after each game or to us on the Board who tallied these up and named Danny Ernst the '04 Player of the Year. Personally for me it was one of the easier choices I have made over the past six years.

[Jar Dangerous]

First, that allegation of alligiance is unnecessary. Secondly lets be real wins = MVP. Voting for a high school all american is great, but lets be real the Zags.... yes they have an improving program, but they do not have a player great enough to be MVP. Otherwise they would have demonstrated it with wins. Thats what being a true MVP comes down to. Props for the insight of Ontology from UW assistant coach. And my MVP is Julian Coffman hands down. Everybody refers to him as the T.O. of the PNCLL... and to be real don't comment on something or someone you don't know. Any fabrications that individuals around the pncll created are speculations focused on rumors and envy. Some people loved MJ others hated him. Thats what made him so good. Just like any other athlete that has the capacity to excell in his arena.

[TheNino57]

Secondly lets be real wins

but lets be real the Zags

and to be real don't comment on something or someone you don't know.

Let's be real, find a new expression...

[TheNino57]

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[TheNino57]

has anyone acknowledged yet that Titpton has recorded 9.25 ppg?! I don't who you are, that is savage! How come no one throws out his name into the mix for league MVP?

[Dr. Jason Stockton]

Tipton is an excellent player, but he missed several games this year. . .and his team didn't make the playoffs. He will likely earn All-league at some level, but he's certainly not in the running for MVP this year. I do believe he is only a sophomore, so his time may come.

[Another Dumb Jock]

If Tipton played against SFU and GU, Oregon St. would be in the finals representing 3rd place in the PNCLL. I'm not sure who has looked at the stats from the Oregon vs. Oregon State game last night, but Tipton had four of OS’s 7 goals, and assisted the other 3. If he isn’t first team all league, I don’t know what is. Tip’s skill should not be underplayed simply because he has other obligations. On the field he is quite and respectful with all the sportsmanship in the world.

[Kojima]

no doubt tipton's the real deal -- he can single handily take over games. but he misses way too many contests - and meaningful contests - to be named aa. tipton also missed osu's playoff game last year. too bad, he's good.