eye black

[exlax4]

there is a thread simliar to this in the UMLL forum, but I was wondering what kind of rules there are for eye black? we had a player get warned for having jon randle style face paint on today. what are the official rules on this and could he have been punished if the ref had pursued it? In the UMLL thread someone said as long as there is no taunting or profanity you can have any design on your face. is this true?

someone enlighten us, because I think that this would be one of the weakest penalties a player could get.

[laxfan25]

As said on the UMLL forum, unless there was something written on the player's face that was obscene, or derogatory toward the other team, the players can come out in Gene Simmons' KISS makeup if they'd like. (Minus any jewelry of course)
If an official made a call based on eye black, I would first politely inquire as to what rule is being cited, and if a penalty is still forthcoming, file a complaint with your league assignor.

[culax]

earlier this season a ref informed me that one of my player's eye black (it was mike powell like triangles) was innappropriate and that the player would have to remove it if there were any complaints. this is just dead wrong.

[Kyle Berggren]

I'm actually curious where it mentions jewelry in the rule book... I missed it, but I don't rember there being a rule about necklaces or even ear-rings.

[laxfan25]

earlier this season a ref informed me that one of my player's eye black (it was mike powell like triangles) was innappropriate and that the player would have to remove it if there were any complaints. this is just dead xxx wrong.

Agreed, there is nothing in the book, and it has never been a point of discussion as far as I am aware in my 20 yearsof experience. I'm really curious to know where they are pulling these calls out of! (I was going to make a comment that we're not the Fashion Police, but we are! Shirts tucked in, all wearing the same color undergarments, etc, etc)

[culax]

in the situation i refered to, i don't think this ref would ever call a penalty. he just said that he could ask the player to remove the excessive eye black if there were any complaints.

[laxfan25]

Even without the penalty, what justification does he have to make that request??? I really feel that is out of line.

[laxfan25]

I'm actually curious where it mentions jewelry in the rule book... I missed it, but I don't rember there being a rule about necklaces or even ear-rings.

You are correct Kyle. That is one of those items that makes it such fun when you are reffing both HS and college games. In those areas where high schools are playing under NFHS (National Federation of High Schools) rules (some states use the NCAA book for HS games, just with shorter periods), the NFHS rule book slipped a line in under Prohibited Equiment (Rule 1 - 23 in the NCAA, Rule 1 -10 Art. 2 in the NFHS) "...Jewelry shall not be worn. Religious and medical-alert medals are not considered jewelry. A religious medal must be taped and worn under the uniform. A medical-alert medal must be taped and may be visible."

Just one of a growing list of differences between the two books! It would be nice if they would standardize a little bit! One of the big differences now is that NFHS still has the 10-second clear rule that the NCAA used in the past, but now switched to the 20 second half-field clearing rule.

[beckner11]

it seems like everyone these days is getting extremely nit-picky about everything. What happened to just forgetting about all the little things (such as eye black, t-shirt colors, or any of the other ridiculous rules that are around today) and just letting everyone play and have fun.

[laxfan25]

it seems like everyone these days is getting extremely nit-picky about everything. What happened to just forgetting about all the little things (such as eye black, t-shirt colors, or any of the other ridiculous rules that are around today) and just letting everyone play and have fun.

I'm all with you Andrew! Realize that the vast majority of these later rules changes are the result of play among the top 25 D1 teams, with TV coverage, massive substitutions, situational time-outs, etc.
For the vast majority of us in the hinterlands, is it really a problem if the helmets don't match? That said, for the USLIA it had given a more professional look and attitude to the teams, but the game is still what it's all about!

[yourmom]

Last year pick again, but a good representation of the face paint to the extreme.

[laxfan25]

I guess KISS did graduate from Lindenwood!
Humorous? Yes. Goofy? For sure, Penalizable? Warnable? I think not...

[exlax4]

so it looks like we have established that face paint, unless offensive, crude, derogatory, etc., can be worn however you want. (I'm loving the ghost look in that LU picture).

so now i guess someone just needs to tell the refs what we have figured out so no more threatened penalties occur!

[Ehethcoat]

it seems like everyone these days is getting extremely nit-picky about everything. What happened to just forgetting about all the little things (such as eye black, t-shirt colors, or any of the other ridiculous rules that are around today) and just letting everyone play and have fun.

That's what men's POCO club is all about!

And yes, the face paint in that picture is funny. I agree, a bit absurd, but penalizable or even told to remove, no, and I would go the distance and get flags thrown on me, before I asked a player to remove his eyeblack/facepaint. The Refs have no right for that. That would be like having a tattoo on your arm that depicted something of any nature, and the ref telling you to tape over it because it offended him or someone else. BS.

[jckurtz#2]

We were told at our Creighton game last Sat. that at the crossover the refs will call anything that isn't the "normal" two black strips under the eyes. This came from the refs themselves.