48 hour rule

[dunkonu25]

can anyone please explain the 48 hour rule to me that was put into affect this season. Because i think it might be affecting the outcome of the western state vs. utah game that was supposed to be played on friday afternoon..

[UNH2001]

Are you talking about the no drinking rule for the 48 hours before a game?

[boisestateD]

I'm pretty sure thats not the "rule" he is talking about. Are you talking about the 48 hour game cancellation rule?

[dunkonu25]

yes i am, and will it have a bearing on this game?

[Jason Newell]

Your best option to get this resolved is to contact John Robinette; he can clarify both the 48 hour rule for you and see if there is anything for the league to look into with your game.

[Bronco1]

Dunkonu25, I wouldn't hold your breath about getting a forfeit from U of U. When it actually comes to teams in the league upholding the 48 hour rule (which is: "Any team may cancel a game provided the team has given the opposing team 48 hours of notice.") there isn't a whole lot of uniformity unless it works out in their favor. This "rule" was voted on at the fall meeting in Greeley, and was supposed to be upheld this year, but just like last year it probably won't be inforced. I'm sure you're pretty much outta luck. Kinda sucks when a couple of teams control things so that things work out the best for them huh.

[canalacrosse]

Dunkonu25, I wouldn't hold your breath about getting a forfeit from U of U. When it actually comes to teams in the league upholding the 48 hour rule (which is: "Any team may cancel a game provided the team has given the opposing team 48 hours of notice.") there isn't a whole lot of uniformity unless it works out in their favor. This "rule" was voted on at the fall meeting in Greeley, and was supposed to be upheld this year, but just like last year it probably won't be inforced. I'm sure you're pretty much outta luck. Kinda sucks when a couple of teams control things so that things work out the best for them huh.

Western drove the 8 hours to Utah to play this game yes it was on there way to bose but the fact was tehy spent $ for a hotel room in Utah for the purpose of playing this game. They called the head coach (wont give name) and the remark they got when they asked if they were still gonna play was "only baseball players don't play in rain." There fore they preceeded to go to the field. By the time they got tothe field its was covered in about 3/4 snow but not powder it was wet ugly slush. There were apporx. 10 U of U players and one had a shovel and had shoveled one end line off. To reveal a field that was not in great condition as it, the creases were peer dirt and now peer mud.This field is in poor condition to start with let alone slush on it.

Western inquired with an assistant coach at teh fied (wont give name) to whether or not the game would be played. The response was that one of the teams captain had called the refs and had canceled with them but if western wanted to play they call them and try to schedule something for Sunday afternoon on Westerns way back from Boise Idaho.
Westerns captains met with their team witha general consensus that wouldn't be possible due to the fact the team couldn't afford another hotel room nor could kids afford to get back to Gunnison, Co. at late time Sunday due to the game for homework and class purposes.

Therefore the bottom line is a coach (won't name names) of U of U was a firm supporter in the 48 hr rule at the league meeting citing times his team has come to Colorado for one game and this exact situation happend and he was made to waste the time and expense for nothing. Therefore he supported the rule that the home team would take a forfiet if the game was not canceled in 48 hrs.

Western isn't arguing this to get a free win, they want it so the reupuability of the league and all programs doesn't become an "inner circle" or "elite few" that rule or decide things. if this situation happend reversed to U of U coming to Gunnison there would be no excuse on what the outcome would be. The 48 hr rule would be pushed for on the outcome of this game.

If U of U was so concerned about the forfeit loss they would of had a contingency plan like what was said to be had at the league meeting if you wanted to avoid the 48 hr rule. They have a field house that they could have rented for game time weeks ago. insteadthey said to Western "if you want we can play at the field house at 11:00 PM" making Western then drive through the night to make their Bose game at 1 PM in Boise the next day. Or even had the whole field shoveled before they called the refs. There just wasn't much effort shown on U of U's part to make this game happen almost showing that they werent worried about the 48 hr rule or they knew they could get around it.
The bottom line is if you want the RMLC to be reputable as a league once a rule is agreed upon then HONOR IT. It is a tough break for U of U but therefore any tema that takes a forfeit loss when out of factors out of your control happen always hurts. I hope this problem is taken care of and solved with all due respect to the league, it's team and it's members of the board.

Disclaimer:This post doesn't represent the views of Western State College Lacrosse Team or it's teams captains or officers.


Thanks for the time to rant

[dunkonu25]

Canalacrosse, i would definitly go to Robinette with this issue to make sure that rules are inforced.

[ineedmorecowbell]

i usually just sit back and read these things, but that last comment compelled me sign up for this whole dealio and reply. being that i am on the team, i'll give you the deal from utah's perspective. we all showed up to play. obviously, we weren't all that happy due to the circumstances with the field and weather, but were willing to play the game nonetheless. we were all there, might as well. western state showed up with 13 players for their team, and talking to the few who had gotten out of their cars, were farely indifferent about playing the game. they all seemed like nice guys and all, but it certainly wasn't solely utah's decision to cancel the game. western decided that they would rather continue their drive up to boise so they weren't getting there late at night, and to play BSU, and since they would come back our way anyways on their trip back to Colorado, that sunday would be the day to have the game rescheduled. however, it was mutually decided that the game really didn't benefit either team. an injury to either team could have been a huge blow to either of our seasons. also, about our indoor facility. i don't know about western state's football team, but ours has ALOT of influence on anything that goes on with anything in the school, and it is hard for us to get the Eccles field house. that's why we had to play cal poly there at 10:30 at night. the weather in utah in spring is also very unpredictable, so booking the fieldhouse weeks in advance is crazy. it costs 250 dollars everytime we use it. we don't charge admission at our games except for the ones in the fieldhouse because we have to cover the cost of the thing. we get 1000 dollars from the school. that's it. it costs us 70 or so thousand more for our team to operate the way we want it to. the rest comes from us (the players,) our fundraising, and few sponsorships and alumni contributions. so paying the 250 bucks for the fieldhouse plus the expenses of officials and whatnot would be ridiculous for a game like that. no knock on western state, because they suit up and play just like us and we totally respect them for that. our teams are just in different positions. they didn't waste money because they were on their way to boise anyways. and about calling the referees and telling them the game was cancelled. that obviously didn't happen because they showed up at 4 oclock when the game was supposed to start and we had to tell them the game was off for the time being. we also should have just played the game, because the field was totally devoid of snow by the time 4 oclock rolled around because the sun came out. it actually turned into a pretty nice day. at worst, we would have gotten a little muddy. needless to say, the game was not cancelled because we didn't want to play. neither of our teams could afford a fluke accident or whatever and lose somebody. it was a mutual decision that i think probably benefited both teams. under these circumstances, i don't think this "48" hour rule should apply. we're not counting that game as a win, and i don't think western should count it as a loss. it just didn't happen, that's all. coach mase is a HUGE supporter of being classy in all aspects of the game, and in a perfect world, the game would have been played, and all would be well. unfortunately, it didn't. just realize, that we all pay to play lacrosse here in the uslia, so we all obviously want to play. there are just circumstances, like last friday that don't enable us to. thanks, and we wish western all the luck with their season.

-Destin Cox #8 LSM

[CATLAX MAN]

I know it's been a long time since I've been in college, but looking at a number of posts recently it made me ponder the following question: "Have they stopped teaching punctuation, spelling & grammar in our institutions of higher learning?"

[MinesGoallie45]

Actually at my college they never started.....infact we dont even have a single english/writing corse to take...other then tech writing...but that doesnt really count

[MountaineerLax]

The question is... if the refs showed up at 4pm, and Utah DID want to play - why wasn't the game played?

I don't get it, the sun came out around 3pm and it was a wet, muddy, field, and everyone knew that Western state had drove 8 hours (whether they were going to Boise or not) and paid for the trip and hotel - why was it cancelled? How can you cancel a game 3-4 hours before the game is set to play when the visiting team is standing on the sidelines, ready to go? Seems to me like the game should have been cancelled at 4pm, afterall, the refs still showed up.

"We all pay to play" - so why wasn't this game played?

I'd say Utah owes Western a home game.

Sure, Western State and Utah are at different levels - but Western State was there to play, with only 13 guys, <b>they were there to play</b>.

The risk of tearing up the field, injuring players, etc. would never have been an issue had this been CSU at Utah - so why the difference when it's Western State? The smaller teams NEED these games, for the growth of the program they need to play the stronger teams.

Again, Utah owes Western a home game.

[MountaineerLax]

I know it's been a long time since I've been in college, but looking at a number of posts recently it made me ponder the following question: "Have they stopped teaching punctuation, spelling & grammar in our institutions of higher learning?"

Which is why the SAT is adding another section to it next year. Used to be 800 pts maximum for English, 800 pts. for Math - total of 1600 pts. available. Now it will be a 2400 pt. test with an Essay being worth another 800 pts.

This is in response to the amount of universities that were complaining about students' writing abilities.

As a high school teacher, on this "front line" everyday, it's appauling. It's really a losing battle when a kid comes to you at 16 years old and reads and writes at a 2nd grade level. Horribly frightening for our future i'd say.

[ineedmorecowbell]

well, western got in their cars and left a good 45 or so minutes before the game would have started. they had made their decision.

[uzisuicide]

I was just gazing over this forum, and I'm sorry but it sounds like a big cry fest. I mean back in the day I played in snow up to my ankles, and apocolyptic downpours. The major thing was, 'everything is cool as long as there is no lighting.' Now I wasn't there, but it sounds like to me that both teams made a decision, and it sounds like the game could have been played, it probably should have been played. If Western's majority declined then Utah owes them nothing. Regardless I think Utah owes them nothing. This 48 hour rules sounds like a total farce to me. You can not predict weather, heck the weather forecasters can barely do that, and that is their job. And unfortunately the problem you run into at all USLIA teams vs. NCAA teams is the clout they carry in the school. Like Ineedmorecowbell said about the football team at Utah. A major state university does not care at all about their club anything team that does not bring them any substantial money. I seriously doubt CSU lax carries that much clout at CSU and they are top dogs every year in the USLIA. And when it come to things like certain people crying conspiracy about the big teams keeping the little teams down. That is just an exuse man. Just play good enough to beat them all, so that people have to stand up and pay respect. Flapping your mouth will do no good. It's too bad the game wasn't played, sounds like it should have been, but did the game even really matter in the big scheme of things? Just think of Monty Python & the Holy Grail, "lets stop fighting and bickering about who killed who, this is supposed to be a happy occasion."