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Postby laxfan25 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:29 am

CATLAX MAN wrote:Holding a lead in a golf tournament is one of the hardest things to do.


Hmmm, I wonder how the first-round leaders, Mr. Hicks and Mr. Streelman, ended up in the Open? Tough holding the lead?

Hicks - 68-80-75-78 +17
Streelman - 68-77-78-72 +11
Woods - 72-68-70-73 -1
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Postby KnoxVegas on Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:37 pm

The word I hear is that it is more serious than is being reported. That he suffered a micro-fracture which could potentially be career ending.

I got that news from a caddie so take it with a giant grain of salt.
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Postby Timbalaned on Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:54 pm

KnoxVegas wrote:The word I hear is that it is more serious than is being reported. That he suffered a micro-fracture which could potentially be career ending.

I got that news from a caddie so take it with a giant grain of salt.


I really hope that caddie has no idea what he is talking about
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Postby Beta on Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:01 pm

Is his career to date better than Jack's total career?
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Postby NT19 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:23 pm

http://www.golf.com/golf/tours_news/art ... 81,00.html

Tiger is out for the season... I guess if you can't beat a guy with a torn ACL and a stress fracture then it really wasn't meant to be for Rocco.
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Postby osulaxfan on Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:29 pm

Yea ok.  My cousin's girlfriend's uncle's friend held the door of the elevator for Eldrick's doctor's secratary -- and she said the knee injury will end his career. 

I think Eldrick will be back from his over-blown hang nail.

Some of golf nubies who think Eldrick is the only golfer on the planet -- might want to look over Ben Hogan's career.
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Postby onpoint on Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:49 pm

Bitter much? Did Tiger put you out of an amateur event while he was a pre-teen earlier in life? Give the guy some credit - he completely revived and made golf relevant and is now the most powerful athletic figure in all of sports. What else does he need to do? There is a reason there are so many Tiger fans out there.

Sorry, but Sergio is a nerd, DL3 is a boorish and condescending right winger, Phil has man-boobs, Big Ern is off his game, nobody likes Vijay, Rocco had no career to speak of before this weekend, David Duval fell right out of the sky and most people wouldn't know 8 out of the top 10 golfers in the FedEx Cup if they spotted them at the supermarket. Who is going to step up and challenge him? It's Tiger vs. the Field until someone does.

I try not to buy into the whole overblown historical perspective we tend to give current events, but in Tiger's case, it's a little different than comparing Kobe to MJ.
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Postby osulaxfan on Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:32 pm

Eldrick did not put golf on the map - Palmer did.  

Eldrick has alot of fans because that is the only name in golf they know.  They think he wins every week.  He doesn't.  But the Eldrick losing story is just as good as Eldrick winning.  

The FedEX cup? Who cares?  That is the biggest marketing debacle in golf.

They will have to lower the purse to cover fuel costs from last quarter.
There are records Jack set that Eldrick can NEVER touch.
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Postby nhoskins on Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:39 pm

osulaxfan wrote:Eldrick did not put golf on the map - Palmer did.  

Eldrick has alot of fans because that is the only name in golf they know.  They think he wins every week.  He doesn't.  But the Eldrick losing story is just as good as Eldrick winning.  

The FedEX cup? Who cares?  That is the biggest marketing debacle in golf.

They will have to lower the purse to cover fuel costs from last quarter.
There are records Jack set that Eldrick can NEVER touch.


Why are you callng him Eldrick? He hasn't been Eldrick since he legally changed his name to Tiger in 1996. Do you go around calling Muhammad Ali "Cassius Clay"?
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Postby laxfan25 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:55 pm

osulaxfan wrote:There are records Jack set that Eldrick can NEVER touch.
And they would be?? Sounds like a bitter Buckeye to me.

Tiger has established a few records of his own...
In 1984 at the age of eight he won the 9–10 boys' event, the youngest age group available, at the Junior World Golf Championships. Woods went on to win the Junior World Championships six times, including four consecutive wins from 1988 to 1991.

At the age of 15, he became the youngest ever U.S. Junior Amateur Champion. He successfully defended his title at the U.S. Junior Amateur Championship, becoming the first multiple winner. The following year, he won his third consecutive U.S. Junior Amateur Championship, and remains the event's youngest-ever and only multiple winner. In 1994, Woods became the youngest ever winner of the U.S. Amateur Championship. He enrolled at Stanford University, and won his first collegiate event, the William Tucker Invitational. In 1995, Woods defended his U.S. Amateur title. He participated in his first PGA Tour major, The Masters, and tied for 41st as the only amateur to make the cut. At age 20 in 1996, Woods became the first golfer to win three consecutive U.S. Amateur titles and won the NCAA individual golf championship. He left college after two years and turned professional.


Since then, he has added 14 majors, including an additional 3 USGA Championships. As we all know, the USGA sets up the Open courses so that par is a good, possibly winning score. In fact, in 2000 the second place score was +3, but Eldrick managed to win by 15 strokes at -12!
He then went on to win the next three majors, the only player to ever hold all four major titles at the same time.
He hasn't caught Jack's record of 18 major titles, yet - but he is a couple years ahead on the timeline.
I'm curious as to what records Jack has set that Tiger doesn't have a chance of reaching. I'm just trying to point out that whern it comes to put up or shut up, Tiger has put up - big time.
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Postby KnoxVegas on Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:28 pm

osulaxfan wrote:Eldrick did not put golf on the map - Palmer did.


Maybe you should check out a man named Francis Ouimet sometime or Walter Hagen, Jimmy Demaret or Gene Sarazen. Palmer's career, while distinguished, coincided with Eisenhower in the White House and the post-war boom. Palmer's career was longer than Johnny Miller's but not as longer, nor as brilliant as Jack's. Palmer never won a PGA Championship. He turned pro in 1954 and won his last major in 1964. Nicklaus won his first major in 1962 and his last in 1986. Palmer(7) has one more major than say Lee Trevino(6).

The possibility of a micro fracture will be looked at in the next week along with the ACL evaluation. That is from one of the tour officials. The seriousness of the injury is not exactly known no due to the swelling from last week's play.

osulaxfan wrote:There are records Jack set that Eldrick can NEVER touch.

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Postby laxfan25 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:07 pm

Actually I will grant that Arnie did a tremendous amount to popularize the sport. He came along at the start of the television generation, and with his steelworker's forearms, mighty swings and hard-charging style, he was a man of the people, not a country-club pro and Arnie's Army was no myth. I grew up with him as a hero, while Fat Jack was more of the cold, black hat. I remember having a tear in my eye when Arnie played in his last US Open.
He is another of the legends that will frankly admit that Tiger is the best ever. What's great is the sincere respect that Tiger shows to the greats of the game. He is a student of golf history, and has a laser focus on adding his name to the books.
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Postby TexOle on Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:23 pm

Ouimet, Hagen, Hogan, Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Jones Jr., Sarazan, Woods etc...

There have been numerous of PGA players and amateurs that have made golf what it is today. That being said I think you could also make an argument for Robert Dedman as one of guys that helped bring golf to the masses. He founded ClubCorp which has enabled numerous people to join country clubs that previously were not able to join.

We also need to realize that public and municipal golf is very important to the growth of the game.

The fact of the matter is that Tiger has brought a fresh face to golf. He was a rock star on the course that the game needed. The game grew faster than it could handle, and then the crash has been significant. The rapid growth of the game also involved people playing golf that created significant issues for other golfers. I saw new golfers trying to play like the pros (sorry, but no new golfer will hit the ball 350 yards straight every time). Many times the golf etiquette was atrocious. It is not Tiger's fault, but his rapid ascent created some problems due to his greatness. Golf was all the sudden cool thanks to Tiger Woods.

I also have a problem with everyone thinking that Tiger is only golfer on tour. All of the PGA players are very good, and they deserve the same respect that Tiger receives.

I am not a huge Tiger fan, but I do respect the him. I am appreciative for what he does for the game, and I do believe that he is a great guy. I wish him a speedy recovery, and I look forward to seeing him returning to his greatness.
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Postby onpoint on Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:33 am

I get it now. We're dealing with a brainwashed former Upper Arlington student. I believe you have to pass a class called JW301 (Jack-Worshipping) to graduate as a "Golden Bear." :wink:
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Postby Dr. Jason Stockton on Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:07 am

I think to the guys on Tour-- Tiger is very polarizing. There are the guys that are envious, and the guys that are thankful. The envious ones can't beat him and get very frustrated with the constant attention Tiger receives. . .and the thankful ones understand how much money he has made for each and every guy on tour.

I think the ratings on Sunday were around 13.5, which are NFL numbers. To get that for a golf event is amazing. . .and it would NEVER happen without Tiger in contention.

I think we are all lucky to be watching one of the greatest athletes of all time in his prime. I hope the knee doesn't end up doing to Tiger what the elbow problems did to Sandy Koufax. . .


Side note: Did anyone else see Woody Austin get interviewed after his Friday round? He was at +2 I think, and still very much in contention. . .and the interviewer from The Golf Channel grabbed him as he came off of 18 and just kept asking him questions about Tiger until he couldn't take it any more. It was a classic.
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