DI conference allignments

[A.J. Stevens]

The rumors about the Big East are true and all varsity teams will be participating.

Have Villanova and PC agreed to fully fund their lacrosse programs (i.e. 12.6 schollies)? I was under the impression that was one of the sticking points.

I was told everyone is in. I don't think the person I heard it from would have it wrong. Next week I could be eating my words but that is what I was told.

[FLALAX]

To Oaks earlier ACC athletics and their caliber are pure awesomeness statement, I have to ask the question: outside of hoops and baseball what sports does the ACC excel in?

We are talking conf that are the future and not the past. The Big East and other conferences will be the future of lacrosse.

[StickSideHigh]

I agree that 4 yrs is a good time period for success. I also agree that ACC schools like Wake and G. Tech or even BC would do the best if they got Varsity teams, reason being they are prestigious schools and that is what many kids look for since there is no big paycheck after college.

[StickSideHigh]

Almost forgot shout out to the new Dr. Styrkerfsu

[Beta]

To Oaks earlier ACC athletics and their caliber are pure awesomeness statement, I have to ask the question: outside of hoops and baseball what sports does the ACC excel in?

Quality of education...which is the most important thing.

Duke, GT, Wake, UNC, UVA, VT, Maryland are good schools...even Miami, NC State, Boston College and Clemson too.

The ACC may be down in football lately...but baseball and basketball aren't low-level college sports.

[bste_lax]

Didn't Wake Forest win the NCAA Soccer Title last year?

Edit: After looking it up, they did, and Maryland won it all in 2005.

[OAKS]

To Oaks earlier ACC athletics and their caliber are pure awesomeness statement, I have to ask the question: outside of hoops and baseball what sports does the ACC excel in?

We are talking conf that are the future and not the past. The Big East and other conferences will be the future of lacrosse.

Lacrosse for one. There have been only 7 different teams to win the men's national championship since 1971. 3 of those 7 teams are in the ACC. I think they've won 10 of the last 37.

Women's lacrosse. Since 1991, 4 teams have won a national championship. 2 are ACC teams, and account for 11 of those 17 championships.

UNC has owned women's soccer over the past 2 1/2 decades (I think 17 out of the last 25 championships).

11 of the last 23 men's soccer titles have been ACC teams. Maryland, Wake Forest, Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson & Duke all won in those years.

Men's golf, while only winning it all once in a while, has a few teams and individuals near or at the top every single year.

Duke has won 5 out of the last 9 women's golf titles.

An ACC team has won 13 out of the last 21 women's field hockey titles, with 3 different ACC teams winning the past 6.



I don't doubt that the Big East will be a solid conference, but it's gonna be hard to compete if FSU, Miami, NC State (they became really good within 3 or 4 years when they were varsity), Virginia Tech, etc. go varsity. And they will in the future, it just might not be for 15-20 years. But in the meantime there are 4 ACC teams already there who are going to be awfully tough to jump ahead of.

[BigheadTodd]

Is the requirement for an AQ 5 or 6 teams? With the ECAC losing Rutgers, St Johns and Georgetown, that takes them to 5. Who do they poach from? The only conferences that will have more than 6 teams after the realignment are the Maac(8 after losing PC), and the patriot(7). The Great Western will drop to 5 if Notre Dame leaves. The Ivy is fine, but the Colonial drops to 6 (Nova), and the AE is already at 6. Who is al of the sudden the most popular AD in the world of D1 lacrosse? Perhaps one with an axe to grind? Perhaps someone who was looked down upon by all(yes I mean all) of the other D1 teams? someone who was so unpopular, that they did not have one home game last season(or a win)? PRESBETERYAN!!!! Come on down!!!!!

PS when does Detroit Mercy begin play?

[mholtz]

Is the requirement for an AQ 5 or 6 teams? With the ECAC losing Rutgers, St Johns and Georgetown, that takes them to 5. Who do they poach from? The only conferences that will have more than 6 teams after the realignment are the Maac(8 after losing PC), and the patriot(7). The Great Western will drop to 5 if Notre Dame leaves. The Ivy is fine, but the Colonial drops to 6 (Nova), and the AE is already at 6. Who is al of the sudden the most popular AD in the world of D1 lacrosse? Perhaps one with an axe to grind? Perhaps someone who was looked down upon by all(yes I mean all) of the other D1 teams? someone who was so unpopular, that they did not have one home game last season(or a win)? PRESBETERYAN!!!! Come on down!!!!!

PS when does Detroit Mercy begin play?

The requirement is 6 teams.
We play this fall/spring. We will join the GWLL in 2010.

From what I've heard Syracuse is reluctant to make the move, and Providence and Nova aren't funding their programs "up to snuff" for the Big East.

The bigger issue is that it's actually official that the Northeast Conference is adding lacrosse in 2011. The GWLL will have 6 w/ ND, and only 5 if they leave, but there are more conferences hurting than just the GWLL. I did this analysis a bit back for my AD at UDM so I'm gonna copy/paste it.

Assuming the Big East happens:

big east
Notre Dame (leaving GWLL)
Georgetown (leaving ECAC)
Providence (Leaving Metro Atlantic)
Rutgers (leaving ECAC)
Syracuse (Independant)
Villanova (Leaving Colonial)
St. Johns (leaving ECAC)

North East
Mt St. Marys (Leaving Metro Atlantic)
Quinnipiac (Leaving GWLL)
Robert Morris (leaving Colonial)
Bryant (moving up from D2)
Sacred Heart (Leaving Colonial)
Wagner (Leaving Metro Atlantic)

The conference totals (6 required for automatic qualifier to NCAA)

Gwll 6 minus 2 (plus UDM)
ECAC 8 minus 3
Metro Atlantic 9 minus 2
Colonial 7 minus 3

This leaves 3 conferences short of the 6 required. They would be:
GWLL -
Ohio State
Denver
Air Force
Bellarmine
Detroit-Mercy

ECAC
Loyola (Baltimore)
Hobart (New York)
UMASS
Fairfield
Penn State

Colonial
Drexel (Philly)
Hofstra (Long Island, NY)
Delaware
Towson (Baltimore)

[mholtz]

Also, I'd say we will know a lot more after the USILA/IMLCA meetings this December. Nobody wants to be left out in the cold.

[BigheadTodd]

Maybe BYU will be ready for the jump to the GWLL? Out of all the MCLA teams, I think they are in the best position to make it happen.

[StickSideHigh]

From a post in one of the other forums, talks of FSU going D1 are dead. I do not know the source of where Hugh got the info but according to him FSU will not be going D1 anytime time in the near future.

[FLALAX]

I saw that post on FSU as well.

It states " Getting a field is the least of the issues in FSU's case. Title IX is the 500 lb gorilla in that room and the fact that so many scholarships are going towards the football team doesnt help. Bobby Bowden is not the problem...He once allowed the WVU club team to use the varsity fields for game(s) back in the day. From what Coach Harkins says, the recent movement in the direction of varsity status is dead. I'm with you, though. I think FSU would be a great place to have Varsiy Lax. The attitude of the athletic dept combined with the weather and...scenery would draw top recruits as well as a top coach. They would be competitive very quickly. Unfortunately, in other news, Hell freezes over."

If that is the case it will be interesting to see if other teams in the ACC take note. The FSU staff and players have been talking DI for a while and if it is true that FSU getting a DI lacrosse team is dead, then other teams in the ACC may not feel pressure to add DI lax as well.

[StickSideHigh]

Does anyone know what conference Univ. of Jacksonville will join on 2010?

[Ryan Jackson]

won't the ECAC also be losing Hobart when they revert to DIII?