UMLL DIVISION 1 POST SEASON AWARDS

[LaxTV_Admin]

Just wondering if this was another EB decision, or how the all conference teams were decided?

Probably should just be named "People who Rob Graff think are really good unless you play for a team not named UMD"

UMLL D1 Tourney Co-MVP- Mother Nature and Brad Scibak (UMLL Assignor)

Don't say things like that. It is inappropriate and inaccurate on top of being cowardly to stand behind an anonymous name when you are going to call people out like that.

I can tell you Marquette stands behind the decisions of our EB. Brad, Rob, and Chris have done a great job with this league. Thank you for your hard work gentlemen.

[umdulax1]

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[mavlax23]

Let me clarify my post, I DID NOT mean to take a shot at anyone! I was merely asking a question on how or who decided the all conference honors this year (which I am still curious about), and weather or not it was different from years past.

[Chris Larson]

Ben,

Your question was fine. FD was looking to cause trouble.

[Rob Graff]

Ben:

We did not get good turnout last year to the "ballot" nomination. We rarely got reasonable compliance - it was one of the few things that our teams have problems doing. Given that this year, we kept the decision making at the EB level, with input by all members.

In one year, we tallied the nominations from teams, and EB used that as a guide. Ask Dylan about that - he assisted with that process, and even then we didn't get good turnout that year (2 or 3 years ago I believe.)

We are open to any reasonable suggestion for this process. I look forward to hearing different suggestions if people believe the "proper" players were not honored. Such a topic is proper for the league meetings

Some factors that any presenter should consider - if the new process calls for team input - will the the input be easy for teams to provide? Second, is the process manageable for a board of volunteers to administer? Third, what criterion will you suggest be used to evaluate players?

Rob

[Gooseguy10]

Why is it weird to think that a team that outscores the conference by over 100 total points and is rated 3rd in the nation will have a vast majority of people on the all league lists?

The words envy, jealousy, and poor loser come to mind.

Of course I am UMD biased, but I think over the years some quality UMD players have been slighted in the end of the year awards to make sure it is not purely UMD dominated list. But in the end, winning trumps end of the year individual recognition, so very few of these guys cared.

[Anderson]

He made second team all conference. What is to complain about?

Points per game isn't always the most telling stat.

Can you imagine how many points per game Nelson would have if he wasn't pulled in the second quarter, or if Duluth didn't slow down?

I haven't seen Olson play, but I'd have a hard time believing he is significantly better than Bice or the UMD unit.

While I tend to agree that stats don't tell everything, and the stats that Jolly Roger added in do help matters. Part of this is simply to induce conversation by playing devils advocate but one other question that you have left out (which also happens to be one that we can't answer) is how many points, goals, and whatever else would each of those players of had if they had been playing for different teams. Its easier to win and score goals when you have a good supporting cast around you to take the pressure off of you. It is clear from the all conference awards that UMD is loaded with talent. How would have Olson done if he had traded places with one of the two from UMD, and if Nelson or Wishart played for Olaf. Again I realize we may never know unless you got to see them play a number of times. And for me as I stated earlier the only time I got the chance I was a bit preoccupied with the score.

[PeterKramer]

The POYs were dead on. My own debate was between Midthun and Pitzl. Having them as Co-Winners was a great choice.

Jake Launert as Defensive POY was a lock from the beginning of the season. I like the pick.

As for the attack debate, I thought the committee hit it perfectly. I played defense against all these guys, so I would think I have some sort of insight. Bice, Nelson and Casey are obvious the cream of the crop. Scott Wishart deserves 1st team. He is great attackman who I feel doesn't get the recognition that he deserves because he plays with Casey and Pete.

I really like seeing that Brent Walby got on 2nd team in this very deep and talented attack pool along with Greg Olsen who has been St. Olaf's guy for years. For those on 2nd team, it isn't a knock in anyway shape or form. I love seeing Alex Eckstein getting All-Conference. He is a workhorse and it is good to see him get recognition for it.

On the defensive side, it is awesome that Whiteis got all-conference honors. He is deceptively quick for his size. I'm honored to be on 2nd team with him.

Anyway, that is my take on things. With this being my first post, I hope that it was somewhat intriguing.

[Chris Larson]

Love the new title Pete.

[Champ]

Part of this is simply to induce conversation by playing devils advocate but one other question that you have left out (which also happens to be one that we can't answer) is how many points, goals, and whatever else would each of those players of had if they had been playing for different teams. Its easier to win and score goals when you have a good supporting cast around you to take the pressure off of you. It is clear from the all conference awards that UMD is loaded with talent. How would have Olson done if he had traded places with one of the two from UMD, and if Nelson or Wishart played for Olaf. Again I realize we may never know unless you got to see them play a number of times.

I've always said one of the best ways to select them would be if you were a captain of summer league, all personal relationships aside who would you draft first?

[Anderson]

And I think that is actually a great way to think about it, and where we would reach an impasse. From what I have seen over my short time in the UMLL one thing jumps out at me about Olson that does not for the UMD unit. And that is that I have seen that Olson can create goals with very little around him (not a pot shot at Olaf, but at least in reference to UMD). I'll be the first to admit that it is because UMD has that entire. It would be on of those things where I would know if I screwed up even the rest of my picks we could still put a few points on the board. Now whether I would have gotten the best pick I could we may never know.

[Gooseguy10]

I would bet that if any of the UMD attackmen were forced into making plays on their own, they would be able to. However, they do not need to make plays by themselves b.c they a complete team offense.

A better question would be, would this other guy be able to crack the starting line up of UMD? If the answer is an unbiased yes, then their should be some discussion.

[PaperBoy]

I've always said one of the best ways to select them would be if you were a captain of summer league, all personal relationships aside who would you draft first?

It would be a toss up between Chris Larson and Rob Graff

[anklebreaker]

Goose you read my mind.....