PNCLL Week #13 (4/23-4/29) -- Predict/Report Scores/Discuss

[PNWLaxer]

Ultimately the end result of any game comes down to the players on the field not the coaches in the huddle or the sidelines. So whether you guys (CWU) feel like you were out coached or not this loss does rest firmly on your shoulders. Last time I checked coaches do not lose possession of the ball or forget to slide.

I don't know about everyone else on here but I would not be airing my dirty laundry about my coach on these forums for any reason.

[Forty Two]

Boys, boys, boys...boys:

You can spout off all you want regarding which was "the best team", but the only thing that truly determines who really was is the final score.

Stop trying to piss higher up the tree than the other dogs, clean your gear off, get your mind straight, and start preparing for next year right now.

[laxer818]

Hodges comments were right on. How can you explain that whitman was the better team when we were up by 3-5 goals throughout the whole game up until the end. (not to mention the fact we already beat them at home earlier in the season). Due to some questionable moves by us, we lost the game. I'm proud of the way we played for about 55 minutes of that game. We overcame a ridiculous amount of penalties (some very questionable) in the first half and stayed in front for the majority of the game. And to you Whitman alumi: get a life, stop arguing with players that are currently playing. You have no idea what went on in our huddles during that game so to say that we weren't outcoached is wrong. If CWU's offense didnt go into a stall with 8 minutes left in the games, and kept putting up points, the game would have never gotten within 3 goals. Hats off to Whitmans CURRENT players for playing all 60 minutes of that game and never giving up. That game is how real playoff games are played. I'm proud of the way our team finished the season. After picked to finshed at the bottom of D-2 this year, we ended up tied for third. Thanks to the league for a great season and to everyone that makes all of this possible. Good luck to all of the teams in Montana this weekend! I can garuntee you'll be seeing CWU there next year.

Being an alumnus or current player has nothing to do with anything. You're right, I wasn't at the game, and if the score after three quarters is any indication, CWU was the better team for a majority of the game. If you re-read my initial post, you'll see that I never denied this. But all of that misses the point of my post, which was this: it lacks class for someone to lose and come out in public and say "we were the better team, we were just outcoached." Even if it's true, some things are better left unsaid, especially in a public forum. When you make a comment like that, you sound like a sore loser, even if you follow it up with some perfunctory "hats off" line.

Maybe when you guys grow up and become ALUMNI, you'll come to better understand all of this.

[Juergy]

Well said Emil and the previous two posts.

Hodge, I have a lot of trouble with what you said about being outcoached. Your comments show absolutely no appreciation for the job JC has done for you guys, and his commitment to CWU lax. He coaches for free, has an immense knowledge of the game, and spends his free time driving to Ellensburg (or other PNCLL locations) to help you guys out. Not only does he give time, he is also a great coach and deserve to be recognized (I hope he gets coach of the year). Ultimately, if a team blows a three goal lead in the last 5 minutes I would likely attribute that to 1) an inability of the leading team to possess and play smart and 2) the strength of the opposition. To blame it on a coach is a cop out and fails to account for the fact that the players play the game, and thus determine the outcome.

I was helping on Whitman's sidelines, and nothing Schmitz, Lewicki, or I did won the game for Whitman. Our tenacious, talented players did that.

Last, it is hard to make an argument for being a great team or a better team if you can't shut the door. The ability to shut the door and playing a full game determine the strength of a team--thus why we use wins and loses to determine who advances.

I think you owe JC an apology, but thankfully I'm not your parent so I can't make you.

[AndyP]

I personally am shocked your team's authoritative figures (whoever they may be) give you the liberty to publicly denigrate your own coaching staff. It seems the only thing your coach can be faulted for is allowing his own players chastise him outside private avenues.

I know if I ever indulged in such an act during my playing days, not only would I be ostracized from the team but also probably beaten and thrown in a cold river somewhere with a sack of bricks tied to my ankles.

[Car RamRod21]

Never once in any of these posts has a CWU player said that we have a bad coach, or that our coach "lost the game for us". All that was said was that we were "outcoached". We have not chastized JC at all. I have know the man for 8 years and I will be the first to tell you that he knows more than most about the game of lacrosse. Sometimes in games there are decisions that are made that impact the final result of the game. There is no way that this OT loss to Whitman was purely the fault of our coach. I personally did not have my best game i have played this season, and frankly i don't think that any me fellow team mates played their best games either. Yes, all of you are right in saying that the final results of the game are determined by the play on the field. But decisions by players and coaches can have a drastic impact on how that on-field play is played. Players and coaches win and lose as a team, and on saturday we lost as a team. Some of the CWU players were just purely stating some of the reasons why they thought the game was lost. Everybody has a right to free speech. people can say whatever the heck they want on here. Our players will not be punished nor rewarded for what is said on these forums. As a captain of CWU lacrosse, I appologize that this loss was made into a bigger deal than it really is. But anytime you have a large group of men who play their hearts our and untimately fail to reach their goals, there will be heart ache and a bad taste left in their mouths. I think all of us have gone through that in the game of lacrosse before and know what its like. I'm sure you Whitman alumni and others have had some sort of bad sportsmanship and posted things on this forum that were not the best things to say. So let's just drop this and agree to disagree and how that game played out, and who the better team was. I look forward to renewing this young rivalry next year when Whitman will have to travel back over here during the regular season. And as i said in an earlier post, good luck to Whitman and the rest of the teams in Missoula, and I hope that the PNCLL will be well represented at nationals in Dallas.

[Dr. Jason Stockton]

Kellen,

You and your Central teammates had a fine season in 2008. . .and I know you'll be a force in our conference again next year. . .

But I do hope you and a few of your teammates decide to make the trip to Missoula to enjoy some fine lacrosse and celebrate your great season with the rest of us. . .

And with your fine season, I am certain there will be players from your team that earn All-Conference honors this season. . .I hope those players will be in attendance to receive those awards (with some teammates in the stands) on the field between the D2 and D1 championship games.

Congrats again on a great season for the Wildcats.

[Hodgee24]

Well said Emil and the previous two posts.

Hodge, I have a lot of trouble with what you said about being outcoached. Your comments show absolutely no appreciation for the job JC has done for you guys, and his commitment to CWU lax. He coaches for free, has an immense knowledge of the game, and spends his free time driving to Ellensburg (or other PNCLL locations) to help you guys out. Not only does he give time, he is also a great coach and deserve to be recognized (I hope he gets coach of the year). Ultimately, if a team blows a three goal lead in the last 5 minutes I would likely attribute that to 1) an inability of the leading team to possess and play smart and 2) the strength of the opposition. To blame it on a coach is a cop out and fails to account for the fact that the players play the game, and thus determine the outcome.

I was helping on Whitman's sidelines, and nothing Schmitz, Lewicki, or I did won the game for Whitman. Our tenacious, talented players did that.

Last, it is hard to make an argument for being a great team or a better team if you can't shut the door. The ability to shut the door and playing a full game determine the strength of a team--thus why we use wins and loses to determine who advances.

I think you owe JC an apology, but thankfully I'm not your parent so I can't make you.

I stand by my words. Coaching does not start on the sidelines of a game, I will not get into the major details of what has gone on behind the scenes of Central Lacrosse this season because that wouldn't be fair to both players and coaches alike. But I will say this, we have a coach that attends when he can, good, bad or indifferent, that's just the way it is. I'm not saying he is a bad coach at all and I will not take anything away from his efforts because he truly does the best he can, but to compete at this level you have to have everyone on the same page. A team that prepares and trains on their own for five days and than has a new authority figure for games creates confusion and miscommunications. Coaching starts during the week and I truly believe that Whitman was better prepared for this game due to that reason. When the game came down to the wire, we had miscommunications and confusions and ultimately lost because of it.

[Hodgee24]

You know, Hodgee, for someone who makes immature comments, you're really bald. I was afraid you might get a nasty sunburn when you kept taking your helmet off yesterday.

Do you know me, cause I don't know you. Whats your name? Something Drake? Maybe you should have spent that 42 grand on something better, since you already graduated and still can't find something better to do with your life. I sure hope I don't find myself on the PNCLL forums on a Sunday afternoon after I graduate. That would be sad.

[TheBearcatHimself]

Threads like this one make me really happy my players haven't used their 42 grand in education to figure out how to navigate the internet and find this forum.

Glad to see there is a great deal less animosity between SOU and WWU

[Movin' a Couch]

I see you read my "signature" and determined my last name, but not my first name. You must be majoring in "detective." I think technically the only time we've interacted would be last year when we trounced you. Feel free to look up our individual stats for that game (OK I already did: Me - 5g, 1a You - zero). The other time was after your game at Whitman this year when you ran away, hollering cuss words at our fans (me) because we gave you a hard time about your flaming footwear.

I don't know what's wrong with perusing this website on a Sunday. Half of the posts on here are alums and coaches. Anyway I was hungover (from celebrating a dramatic victory with my former teammates) and had just gotten home from getting my hair cut (remember those days?).

[HammerTime22]

You guys should meet in Missoula next weekend and box it out. I believe you're both are about the same size and the winner gets official bragging rights.

[UCLABruins]

You guys should meet in Missoula next weekend and box it out. I believe you're both are about the same size and the winner gets official bragging rights.

It could be the PNCLL version of UFC

[HammerTime22]

You guys should meet in Missoula next weekend and box it out. I believe you're both are about the same size and the winner gets official bragging rights.

It could be the PNCLL version of UFC

Any good suggestions of what each persons entrance song should be? I know Hodge likes Tupac.

[Car RamRod21]

yea i know a fitting song for Drake. "Ain't as Good as I Once Was" by Toby Keith