GRLC Action (4/16-4/22) Discuss Games/Report Scores

[norway]

I agree with you Callahan. Your proposal is more logical than what is in place. It does not make sense, because it contradicts that of nationals. The national tournement seeds the teams based on overall record and the caliber of the teams they have played. That is how you get a top seed. A team could go 4-7 in the GRLC and get the #1 because they scheduled right to get into playoffs ,but on the national level they are not even looked at. A little odd if you ask me. Yes, logically, the best team should win no matter what. However, you are potentially taking away from a teams budget by adding the expense of an extra nights stay for an entire team in a hotel, the cost of food, and any other costs associated with adding an extra day. This could possibly take away from a team's budget for nationals, if they even have one. You have to remember that most DII already struggle w/ their budget, so this can be a very big deal to a team.

[Matt_Gardiner]

Norway,

I am not trying to be confrontational. I am just trying to discuss. An overall record system would reward teams for going out and playing weaker teams outside of their required games and punish teams that play better teams. A loss to Dayton would hurt Harding, who could have scheduled a team outside the top 25 and been better off for it. It could work the same way in the conference. When comparing schedules a line has to be drawn somewhere.

I guess in the future we should use a system based on a general feeling of where you think teams should be. We will use that as the first tie-breaker. That way you can pick and choose what information you want to use. I will make that recommendation at the fall meeting this year.

I apologize for having a comprehension level below a first grader.

[norway]

No worries Gardiner.
I would not suggest looking at the entire schedule. I would suggest looking outside of the subdivision games, and see how a team did against other GRLC teams not in their sbudivision.

[The_Buddha_Man]

I apologize for having a comprehension level below a first grader.

Matt,
I have the Math comprehension of someone still in the womb if that makes you feel any better....

[Michael Martin]

What the GRLC does is not unique. I believe the SELC is the only other conference within the MCLA where there are an odd number (3) of subconferences within a Division (I or II). They take the top 2 teams from each subconference, based on subconference record, and then apply their seeding criteria. Their seeding criteria are different from those used in the GRLC, but not necessarily better as they also generate a multiple page topic discussion.

Elon won the SELC, Division II tournament with a seed low enough to require them to play 3 games in 3 days.

[Matt_Gardiner]

Well, since this thread has already been hijacked...
Harding will have a first-round bye. They have a 0.25 gpg tie-breaker lead on Wheaton that cannot be made-up.

[norway]

so, who gets the #2 seed? Wheaton or Dordt? I'm assuming Wheaton. So, Depaul makes the playoffs?

[Matt_Gardiner]

I believe Harding will get the two seed and Dordt will get the #1 seed.

Harding is +7,+7,+3,+8 (8-Goal Limit) giving an average Goal Differential of +6.25. Harding has completed all their games.

Wheaton is (will be) +8,+8,+2 giving an average Goal Differential of +6.00. This is the best case scenario for Wheaton, if they beat Cornell by 8 or more. If Wheaton beat DePaul by three or more, they would have been in a position to be seeded higher than Harding.

Dordt is (will be) +8,+8,+8,+3 giving an average Goal Differential of +6.75. This is also Dordt's best case scenario beating South Dakota by 8 or more. If they win by six, Dordt and Haridng will be tied. It they win by five or six they will take the two seed, if they win by four or less they will be the three seed.

The winner of Augustana versus DePaul this weekend will determine who is in the playoffs. The score will determine the seeding anywhere from #4 to #6. Also, if Creighton loses to UNO this weekend, UNO would be in the playoffs over Creighton.

[culax]

If Dordt wins out (with 8 goal differential in both games) they will have the #1 seed and Harding will have the #2 seed. I believe that Harding beat Rockhurst by 7 goals.

Wheaton, also undefeated, will be #3.

After that things will not be determined until all games are played this weekend. SLU is in and if Creighton wins they are in. The last spot will go the winner of the DePaul - Augustana game. Seeding for the last 3 teams will be determined by goal differential.

[Matt_Gardiner]

Beat you to the punch Will by a couple seconds.

[coach]

Just what I was told. If I am incorrect then I apologize.

That was a question, but my grammars are bads.

Instead of "AJ Stevens is a coach at L-Wood now?" would be better as "IS AJ Stevens a coach at L-Wood now?".

I shouldn't have brought a Gameboy to English all those years.

I just heard Stevens was on the Lindenwood sideline for the GRLC tournament. That must have been uncomfortable.