WCLL Playoffs 2008

by **COlaxer** on Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:04 am

Is there anyone that can start to break down what the quarters, semi, and finals are going to look like?

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by **Ravaging Beast** on Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:14 am

North:
#1 SSU
#2 Chico

Central:
#1 Stanford
#2 Santa Clara

LA:
#1 Chapman
#2 UCSB

South:
ASU: Win - SDSU, UCSD, USD; still plays Arizona; A win against Arizona gives them the #1 seed
Arizona: Win - USD, UCSD; Loss - SDSU; still plays ASU; A win against ASU gives them the #1 seed. See SDSU for how they lose the tie breaker.
Any corrections?

by **azlaxmax45** on Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:11 pm

haha wow good work

by **Ravaging Beast** on Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:16 pm

azlaxmax45 wrote:haha wow good work

And I was getting paid the whole time I put this together.

by **azlaxmax45** on Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:19 pm

its also, south vs. la, and north vs. central correct?

by **Baller1** on Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:57 pm

The LA division is brutal. It's so hard for a good team like LMU to make the playoffs, I wonder if they will restructure this in the future considering that all four teams are ranked top #25 to my knowledge.

by **WCLLPREZ** on Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:36 pm

The WCLL has tabled any restructuring talks until the MCLA decides upon a set criteria for placing teams into Division 1 or Division 2. We are a confrence who likes stability and the Board of Directors feel it would be unwise to push through a restructuring change only to have to modify it if the MCLA dicates a different structure.

by **Baller1** on Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:31 pm

It looks like LMU is out after losing to Claremont today, and Stanford assures the 1 seed in their division today. It will come down to the Santa Clara vs. Cal Poly in SLO to determine the 2 seed. Should be a huge game.

by **CPLaxGM** on Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:09 am

Baller1 wrote:It looks like LMU is out after losing to Claremont today, and Stanford assures the 1 seed in their division today. It will come down to the Santa Clara vs. Cal Poly in SLO to determine the 2 seed. Should be a huge game.

Los Angeles Division
Technically, LMU still has a shot, but it's incredibly slim. They would have to beat UCSB which would then throw Claremont, LMU, and UCSB into a three-way tie for second. Then, it comes down to goal differential between the three teams, so if I'm doing my math right LMU would need to beat UCSB by 4 and they would take 2nd in the LA Division. Obviously, not likely, but possible.

#1 Chapman
#2 UCSB (95% certain)

Central Division
#1 Stanford (even if they lose to Cal in the Axe Game)
#2 Winner of Santa Clara vs Cal Poly

South Division
#1 Seed - Assuming Arizona State beats USD this afternoon, then next week's game between Arizona and Arizona State will determine the #1 seed. Even though Arizona lost to SD State they would still take the #1 seed if they could beat the Sun Devils (because both teams would have 1 divisional loss and Arizona would have the head to head victory).
#2 Seed - wow, it's complicated. If ASU beats USD today and then ASU beats Arizona next week, it will come down to goal differential between the teams with a 2-2 divisional record, which could be Arizona, SDSU, and possibly USD.

North Division
The only one already decided. To no one's surprise:
#1 Sonoma
#2 Chico State

by **thelastmohican** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:54 am

The WCLL has tabled any restructuring talks until the MCLA decides upon a set criteria for placing teams into Division 1 or Division 2. We are a confrence who likes stability and the Board of Directors feel it would be unwise to push through a restructuring change only to have to modify it if the MCLA dicates a different structure.

all egos aside... it is time for the wcll to restructure the geographic divisions for D1. there is no reason that one division has 4 teams while another has 6: There are an even 20 teams in the conference... do the math, folks!

division (as in 20 teams/4 divisions) aside, 4 of the MCLA's top 25 teams (according to the latest poll) in one division (LA)? one would think that the board of directors would like to spread such wealth throughout the conference!

Not that the rest of the WCLL isn't great, but LA is stacked with good teams:
Chapman- Nat'l Champ Caliber
UCSB- Always got a shot at it even in off years
Claremont- Give 'em some respect already. (blown out by chapman, but HUGE OOC win vs. Utah -MCLA #19 - 4 game win streak including 3 division games)
LMU- Solid through and through (beat stanford-north's # 1 playoff seed and MCLA #13)

in my humble opinion the wcll should look like this next year:

NORTH
Sonoma State
Chico
Davis
Reno
CAL

CENTRAL
Cal Poly SLO
Santa Clara
Stanford
St. Mary's
UCSB

LA
Chapman
LMU
USC
UCLA
Claremont

SOUTH
Arizona
ASU
UCSD
USD
SDSU

each division has a nice even 5 teams... wuddayathink?

by **WCLLPREZ** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:55 am

That's all well and good but San Jose State and UNLV are both Division 1 teams by MCLA rules (currently) and have to be factored into this restructuring.

The reason this hasn't been done yet is that the MCLA is supposed to be determining new classification criteria for the divisions. Once that is done, the WCLL will tackle this problem.

But thanks for you simplistic solution to a problem that has been discussed at great length in the WCLL meetings and on this discussion board for the past several years now.

by **bulax6** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:41 am

Well, this is shaping up to be a great weekend in SD.

by **bulax6** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:41 am

sculaxcoach wrote:That's all well and good but San Jose State and UNLV are both Division 1 teams by MCLA rules (currently) and have to be factored into this restructuring.

The reason this hasn't been done yet is that the MCLA is supposed to be determining new classification criteria for the divisions. Once that is done, the WCLL will tackle this problem.

But thanks for you simplistic solution to a problem that has been discussed at great length in the WCLL meetings and on this discussion board for the past several years now.

At the Santa Cruz v. Pepperdine game yesterday, there were parents that thought Santa Cruz was wanting to move up next year as well. Do you know anything about that Mr. Podesta?

by **WCLLPREZ** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:52 am

This is news to me! We will have to wait and see what the MCLA has as a criteria for moving up

by **onpoint** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:21 am

thelastmohican wrote:
The WCLL has tabled any restructuring talks until the MCLA decides upon a set criteria for placing teams into Division 1 or Division 2. We are a confrence who likes stability and the Board of Directors feel it would be unwise to push through a restructuring change only to have to modify it if the MCLA dicates a different structure.

all egos aside... it is time for the wcll to restructure the geographic divisions for D1. there is no reason that one division has 4 teams while another has 6: There are an even 20 teams in the conference... do the math, folks!

division (as in 20 teams/4 divisions) aside, 4 of the MCLA's top 25 teams (according to the latest poll) in one division (LA)? one would think that the board of directors would like to spread such wealth throughout the conference!

Not that the rest of the WCLL isn't great, but LA is stacked with good teams:
Chapman- Nat'l Champ Caliber
UCSB- Always got a shot at it even in off years
Claremont- Give 'em some respect already. (blown out by chapman, but HUGE OOC win vs. Utah -MCLA #19 - 4 game win streak including 3 division games)
LMU- Solid through and through (beat stanford-north's # 1 playoff seed and MCLA #13)

in my humble opinion the wcll should look like this next year:

NORTH
Sonoma State
Chico
Davis
Reno
CAL

CENTRAL
Cal Poly SLO
Santa Clara
Stanford
St. Mary's
UCSB

LA
Chapman
LMU
USC
UCLA
Claremont

SOUTH
Arizona
ASU
UCSD
USD
SDSU

each division has a nice even 5 teams... wuddayathink?

I'm no WCLL'er, but my problem with this is that everything goes in cycles. Just because the LA division is strong now doesn't mean that in two years U of A, ASU, UCSD, and SDSU are all ranked in the top 15-20. It's not really fair to restructure the divisions based on skill level. If that was the goal, wouldn't it make more sense to restructure the playoffs to have just the top 8 teams regardless of division?