2008 Lax World MCLA Division 1 Top 25 Poll (4/9/08) is out

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Postby irishlax on Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:00 pm

Good show everyone! Good show! I just read all 11 pages of this thread with the same rapture as my grandmother watching the season finale of Desperate Housewives. I think we could probably draw parallels between the storylines as well.

It was especially fun to watch the thread literally limp to a finish, with everyone just exhausted. But in the end, I think one theme emerged: Where there is a loss there is doubt. And the only way to eliminate all the doubt, the shouldas, the wouldas, the couldas about your team, is to win.

I look forward to this argument every year as "several teams realize that they might be on the outside looking in come tournament time" combines with "our conference gets no respect" which combines with "why do perennial powerhouses get free passes?"

AND, just like every other year, this thing will shake itself out when all is said and done. The five teams that seem to be at the center of this argument all control their own destinies.

UCSB has the opportunity to show their stuff against CHAPMAN and LMU. Provided they win one or both of those games, they then get to strut their stuff in the conference tournament. SONOMA still has to play OREGON, then will have plenty of opportunity to prove they can take care of business in the WCLL tournament. FSU and FLORIDA both get prove their metal against one another and will likely get another shot at either one another or another ranked team in the SELC tourney. VIRGINIA TECH can use the SELC tournament to prove themselves to the pollsters. Ditto for GEORGIA.

Every single one of these teams has ample time/opportunity to move themselves securely into the national tournament or securely out of the national tournament.


Well said J.I.
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Postby Gooseguy10 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:39 pm

Re. CSU's trip to Florida.....Are you seriously still bitter about a trip that happened five years ago? Get over it.

As far as the the SELC (and other conferences) wanting more respect from teams out west.....to me it is simple.....win big games when it counts in Dallas!

Once that happens, there will be no need to beg for respect on a message board.
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Postby baseballislame on Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:53 pm

do you guys think byu could beat uva this year? i'd say 10-7 uva, but it'd be a battle.
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Postby scooter on Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:27 pm

baseballislame wrote:do you guys think byu could beat uva this year? i'd say 10-7 uva, but it'd be a battle.


what? where did this come from? wrong forum homie
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Postby baseballislame on Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:34 pm

yeah you're right i think byu would win
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Postby More Cowbell on Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:21 am

Gooseguy10 wrote:
As far as the the SELC (and other conferences) wanting more respect from teams out west.....to me it is simple.....win big games when it counts in Dallas!


It's tough when these teams are seeded 10 and below and matched up against the top teams in the country on the first day... The fact that right now both UCSB and Sonoma would get higher seeds in the tournament than FSU seems absurd to me. FSU has no bad losses, and they beat UCSB head to head.
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Postby UkraineNotWeak on Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:47 am

It's tough when these teams are seeded 10 and below and matched up against the top teams in the country on the first day... The fact that right now both UCSB and Sonoma would get higher seeds in the tournament than FSU seems absurd to me. FSU has no bad losses, and they beat UCSB head to head.


Sigh. Have lower seeded teams made it past the first day before? Of course. Stanford 2001, UCSB 2001, Northeastern 2007 off the top of my head. I'm sure there are other examples.
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Postby More Cowbell on Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:01 am

UkraineNotWeak wrote:
It's tough when these teams are seeded 10 and below and matched up against the top teams in the country on the first day... The fact that right now both UCSB and Sonoma would get higher seeds in the tournament than FSU seems absurd to me. FSU has no bad losses, and they beat UCSB head to head.


Sigh. Have lower seeded teams made it past the first day before? Of course. Stanford 2001, UCSB 2001, Northeastern 2007 off the top of my head. I'm sure there are other examples.


...I'm aware that lower seeded teams can make it past the first day big fella...I have played on one that did so before... my point is that many of these teams dont deserve to be a lower seed. As of right now, I cant understand how FSU could earn a lower seed than UCSB or Sonoma. If you could explain that one to me it would be great. Sigh...sorry if I'm boring you with my logical questions.
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Postby Sonny on Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:06 am

Fellas..... I will say it again because it seems as if people can't read or follow the rules.

Debate the topic, NOT THE POSTER.

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Postby wheelz33 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:43 am

in response to JP in what seems like an eternity ago (6 pages or so ago? what a ridiculous thread) yes I am a State guy. So maybe I'm biased, who knows. The only reason I said what I did about Michigan was it was in response to those posters saying that once you prove yourself in the tournament you'll get the respect in the polls, or something like that. My only reason for bringing Michigan up is quite frankly they haven't really proven themselves in the tournament the last 4 or 5 years. They "only" made in the their conference finals in 2 of the last 4 years, and have had a rough showing at nationals lately.

Now, this is not so much an attack of Michigan, cause they do represent themselves well in the regular season, and I'd admit more often then not they deserve their rankings (ESPECIALLY this year). However their are a few teams that have as much tournament "success" that do not get the same poll respect. That was more my point. So sorry, I know my previous post came off as more as a boo Michigan post, and less of a other teams deserve the same respect post...

And also, I think I remember someone saying that the point is to win the title, not come in 7th or whatever. But to some, making the nationals would mean the world. As a player missing nationals by one game his last two years (two conference championship losses, just a few poll spots away from an at-large bid due to a couple bad early season losses) I would have given anything just to make it. So, have some respect for those guys on teams that are teetering on the edge...
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Postby gobblerlax05 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:31 am

but its true the hokies will be doing a little scoreeboard watchin and playin some crucia key games this weekend! this is going to be an important week i think in the selc good luck to all teams!
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Postby nhoskins on Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:34 am

More Cowbell wrote:
It's tough when these teams are seeded 10 and below and matched up against the top teams in the country on the first day... The fact that right now both UCSB and Sonoma would get higher seeds in the tournament than FSU seems absurd to me. FSU has no bad losses, and they beat UCSB head to head.


You're going to have to beat the best teams at some point in the tournament, be it the first day in an upset or the last day in the championship. So I'm sorry that its going to be "tough" for those tems seeded 10 and below, but winning a National Championship is tough.

If you're not going to Dallas to win the National Championship, or if you're going there to finish 8th or 4th... then you don't deserve to be there.
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Postby StrykerFSU on Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:53 am

nhoskins wrote:You're going to have to beat the best teams at some point in the tournament, be it the first day in an upset or the last day in the championship. So I'm sorry that its going to be "tough" for those tems seeded 10 and below, but winning a National Championship is tough.

If you're not going to Dallas to win the National Championship, or if you're going there to finish 8th or 4th... then you don't deserve to be there.


I don't see Michigan volunteering to play BYU in the first round rather than Lindenwood. Or Duke saying bring on UVA rather than Siena. The seeding of the tournament is very important or else they would just pull matchups out of a hat. I'll debate where teams belong in the polls (arguably) ad nauseum but to say that seeding doesn't matter is right up there with "you guys should go out and practice your left instead of posting" on the unintentional comedy scale.
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Postby BB on Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:59 am

Simon Fraser- hmmmm..... Canada?

Should it be an international championship? Upper North American Championship?
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Postby Highheat on Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:08 am

I don't see Michigan volunteering to play BYU in the first round rather than Lindenwood


I think it's safe to say that EVERY team in the MCLA would rather play Lindenwood than either of those two...

The issue that i'm having is the bickering over what ends up being a difference of at most 2-3 seeds at the tournament. Which would equate to playing say a 6 seed versus a 3 or 4 seed. As has been documented very well in the past few weeks, any of the spots beyond 1 & 2 are a "Crapshoot".... essentially what i'm sayin is that unless you end up as a 15 or 16 seed, based on this years standings a couple of seeds up or down should not give you a significantly easier or harder game.

I think the same can be said for the higher seeds... being a 4 instead of a 6 or 7 makes little difference considering the parity in the 10-16 range.

If a team wins consistently and against good teams, they will be in the spot they deserve. If they have a couple of unfortunate losses they will drop and find it hard to get to those (seemingly attainable) higher seeds.

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