Deadliest Year, Impeachment & Bush at lowest approval ev

[Sonny]

I really wish Kucinich wasn't 4'8. He would win hands down if he was average height. How can anybody not like his one-liners?

"I didn't vote for the Patriot Act because I read it."

That's gold Dennis! Gold!

The only way Kucinich would win is if he ran unopposed and the electoral pool was confined to Marin County, CA. Even then, I wouldn't consider him a sure thing.

He did out punt his coverage with his spouse, though. I gotta hand it to him.

[Zeuslax]

The only way Kucinich would win is if he ran unopposed and the electoral pool was confined to Marin County, CA.

He would probably win at least two counties, considering he's from OH.

[JW]

Mission Accomplished, heh

And the flip side of the discussion is that the surge is working. Casualties in Iraq per month are on a rapid decline.

The noticeable drop in U.S. and Iraqi deaths in recent months follows a 30,000-strong U.S. force buildup, along with a six-month cease-fire order by radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, among other factors. There were 39 deaths in October, compared to 65 in September and 84 in August.

At the end of the day - the combined number of American deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan in over 4 years of combat wouldn't surpass a few days during WW1, WW2, or the Civil War.

But the AP would have you believe we are losing soldiers faster in Iraq then we did during the Battle of the Bulge with their constant reminders of "grim milestones." I guess if the message fits the liberal media's agenda...

My grandfather and my great uncle fought in the Battle of the Bulge. I think they would agree that comparing WWII to Iraq is a poor comparison.

I think they're right. Iraq is a conflict. It measures up poorly to WWII.

I don't think sonny was comparing the two, but just saying that the total number of deaths in the Iraqi "Conflict" is dramatically lower.

There is one other conflict that this compares to, and in discussion with my recently deceased Grandfather who served in the war, would be the Vietnam war.
It doesn't seem that we are close to removing troops. It doesn't seem like we are winning. Saddam is out of office, that is a victory in the battle, but the war is far from over, and I don't believe that organized military is the way to fight the war on terrorism.

Anyway,

I just want to reiterate my thoughts from another topic and that is this...

There is to much division in this country based on politics, and I for one am sick of it. I am tired of the silly arguments that we get into because we are either democrat or republican. Both parties have their problems and both parties have things that they are doing well for our country, but I sincerely believe in my heart that the problems in this country far outweigh which side of the fence you land on with a particular issue.

If anything is ever going to be accomplished to improve our country, Bipartisan politics is going to have to be deported from our thoughts and actions.

Last Thing.
If anyone believes that the Media is not slanted one way or the other in the political realm is very naive. They are human like we are and their thoughts and emotions will and do seep into their writings, newscasts, radio shows, and so on. It is just a way of life. No one can function independent of their beliefs and values, because that is why we have them.

"and the second is like it, Love your neighbor as your self."

[OAKS]

Here's an interesting take from Tucker Carlson asking why Dennis Kucinich isn't the Democrat frontrunner, as he espouses most of the Democratic ideals.

http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=64

It's pretty interesting how much more towards the center and even passing it into the right the leading Democrats have become. Has the Democratic base moved over as well?

[Jac Coyne]

There is one other conflict that this compares to, and in discussion with my recently deceased Grandfather who served in the war, would be the Vietnam war.
It doesn't seem that we are close to removing troops. It doesn't seem like we are winning. Saddam is out of office, that is a victory in the battle, but the war is far from over, and I don't believe that organized military is the way to fight the war on terrorism.

Viewing the Vietnam matter, which was soley a product of the Cold War, through a modern-day prism is misguided. While I can see similarities between the Domino Theory of the mid-60s and the current situation in the Middle/Far East, most comparisons with the VN affair lose validity when one pushes past the anti-war rhetoric.

If anyone believes that the Media is not slanted one way or the other in the political realm is very naive. They are human like we are and their thoughts and emotions will and do seep into their writings, newscasts, radio shows, and so on. It is just a way of life. No one can function independent of their beliefs and values, because that is why we have them.

It is inherently impossible for humans to be objective. When you understand this, the media becomes manageable.

[Zeuslax]

Viewing the Vietnam matter, which was soley a product of the Cold War, through a modern-day prism is misguided. While I can see similarities between the Domino Theory of the mid-60s and the current situation in the Middle/Far East, most comparisons with the VN affair lose validity when one pushes past the anti-war rhetoric.

The divisions over the war seem to be driving this comparison. Outside of this chasm I'm not sure if there are many comparisons to be made. However, a vast majority of the American public wants the troops to start coming home or at least a plan (time table set) for a draw-down.

[michlaxref]

So here is another comparison that I find interesting. We went into this thing on a basis of a dictator having (or even developing) a WMD. One of our supposed biggest allies is a General that has declared himself president, thrown the country into martial law and set himself up with his handpicked Supreme Court to "validate" his actions. Oh, guess what, Pakistan (where Osama is probably hiding out,) has nuclear weapons. And this is not a problem? No, not at all. Instead we need to concern ourselves with Iran. and maybe start a third war.

So we started a war with Iraq, who may not have had any connections with Al Qaeda, and Osama is hiding in the country of our ally. Go figure....