Belicheck caught cheating

[sohotrightnow]

Even though he could be? Could be one of the greatest football minds ever? Pinny, what would make him a greater mind? Winning a 4th superbowl? Belicheck, is definitely in the top 5 great football minds all time. He has done more with less than any other coach in recent memory.

Ha! I love when NE fans come up with this line. More with less? According to??? I suppose this year's team has no talent as well, right?

[DanGenck]

I like that since Bill Belicheck is not a yes man who kisses everyone's butt that he must be "classless".

I'm sorry, but real football coaches don't care about you (the fan), the media, injury lists, shaking hands, or any other nonsense. They care about film, technique, and strategy. Caring about much else probably means you don't win much or with consistency.

Bill Belicheck made a poor decision but to assume that you know him enough to call him classless is foolish. He's a true football coach. If he's classless, then so are Paterno, Bear Bryant, Barry Switzer, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Walsh, Vince Lombardi, etc. etc.

[DanGenck]

p.s. Did Eric Mangini lose weight? He looks the least like Doug Heffernan since he got the Jets job.

[LaxTV_Admin]

I like that since Bill Belicheck is not a yes man who kisses everyone's butt that he must be "classless".

I'm sorry, but real football coaches don't care about you (the fan), the media, injury lists, shaking hands, or any other nonsense. They care about film, technique, and strategy. Caring about much else probably means you don't win much or with consistency.

I don't think that is true. Take our sport. I can name numerous coaches that coach with class, shake hands, care about their fans, players, media, etc.

I can tell you right now, I would not be a very good coach if I walked up to my players and told them all I cared about was film, technique, and strategy. I better care about my players, their families, their friends, and the University they represent. In doing so I care about the fans, what the media thinks, and all that other "nonsense" you speak of.

With that said, Belicheck obviously cares about his players, which is obvious since they all just want to play in New England and never seem to complain. He may treat the media like crap, but his football team is a family first and they play like it.

Just my two cents...now back to the Belicheck bashing.

[Jolly Roger]

Ha! I love when NE fans come up with this line. More with less? According to??? I suppose this year's team has no talent as well, right?

Please refer to Belicheck's results in Cleveland to support your argument.

[TexOle]

I never thought I would hear that Barry Switzer is a individual. Please remember the Gonesmoke Campaign by Randy Galloway from DFW.

I got no problem with videogate. Teams might want to learn from their baseball counterparts and change up some signals, send dummy calls, maybe use an extra coach to send fake signals.

[DanGenck]

I like that since Bill Belicheck is not a yes man who kisses everyone's butt that he must be "classless".

I'm sorry, but real football coaches don't care about you (the fan), the media, injury lists, shaking hands, or any other nonsense. They care about film, technique, and strategy. Caring about much else probably means you don't win much or with consistency.

I don't think that is true. Take our sport. I can name numerous coaches that coach with class, shake hands, care about their fans, players, media, etc.

I can tell you right now, I would not be a very good coach if I walked up to my players and told them all I cared about was film, technique, and strategy. I better care about my players, their families, their friends, and the University they represent. In doing so I care about the fans, what the media thinks, and all that other "nonsense" you speak of.

With that said, Belicheck obviously cares about his players, which is obvious since they all just want to play in New England and never seem to complain. He may treat the media like crap, but his football team is a family first and they play like it.

Just my two cents...now back to the Belicheck bashing.

Football and specifically the NFL are a different deal. Coaches can say a lot about caring about character, academics, families, etc. but at the end of the day those things make up 5% or less of their effort. In the lacrosse world, we are lucky that our sport is not so wildly popular that we have lost sight of the better aspects of sports. However, in the world of the NFL, Bill Belicheck is paid to win Super Bowls. Film, technique, strategy. Super Bowls. That doesn't make him classless, it makes him proficient at what he does. However bland and vanilla that might be...

I shouldn't categorize all football coaches because you can never paint one group with one color, etc. However, they really are a different breed. The time I have spent coaching football isn't comparable to anything else I have ever done.

[jessexy]

I guarantee you Belicheck learned this from the ultra-paranoid Bill Parcells at some point. Parcells wouldnt even let the news media have cameras at the practices for the team except during streching. then he banished them to the press room indoors.

Parcells said he even switched the defensive plays that his players wore on wristbands every half so the other team wouldnt pick up the signals. so that tells me that other teams are doing this.

But the problem I have is that the Patriots were so blatant about ignoring a directive from the commish. Pacman did it and was suspended for the entire season and his club wont even let him make any other type of money elsewhere. Vick did it and is suspended indefinitely (I'm only talking about his disrespect of the commish by lying)

Comparing Cowboys coach Wade Wilson's penalty and Belichek's is crazy though. Wilson admitted to the NFL he got HGH and didnt try to hide it. he even bought it on the internet with his own AMEX. he got it because he wanted to improve his life-threatening diabetes, which strikes close to home since former Cowboy Everson Walls just donated a kidney to former Cowboy Ron Springs (who's had a leg and foot amputated cuz of diabetes also). Wilson got 5 game suspension and $100,000 fine......more than 25% of his salary. ONe could argue that Belichek got off light by comparison with no games missed and roughly 10% of his salary.

[echo 600]

"I am shocked, SHOCKED, to see that there is gambling going on here."

I'm not seeing the big deal here, and people who throw out the words "ashamed" and "disgrace" in regards to the Pats surprise me as well. Everybody in the NFL does stuff like this. Why do you think each coach calls in plays with a playbook in front of his lips?

If Bellicheck sent over a snoop to an off-limits sideline zone, after being told not to by the Commish, then slap him down and let's move on. But for everybody to say this tarnishes the Pats or their Superbowls, that's just going overboard. And to take away a win, give me a break.

If you are in a public place, and can be seen by the naked eye, you are subject to being video taped. There is no Reasonable Expectation of Privacy (legal terminology alert) on the sidelines of an NFL game. If I can see a coach making hand signals from the oposite sideline, I can tape it and study it. How is this really all that different from watching game film of a linebacker, and determining that everytime he steps forward, and then drops back two steps, he's really going to blitz?

Oh, and BTW, MLB catchers out there, you know the guy standing on second base has a direct line-of-sight view to your signals. Make your sigans tougher to pick up on and this stuff won't happen.

[LaxRef]

If you are in a public place, and can be seen by the naked eye, you are subject to being video taped. There is no Reasonable Expectation of Privacy (legal terminology alert) on the sidelines of an NFL game. If I can see a coach making hand signals from the oposite sideline, I can tape it and study it. How is this really all that different from watching game film of a linebacker, and determining that everytime he steps forward, and then drops back two steps, he's really going to blitz?

Because one is explicitly prohibited by the rules (with the teams being explicitly told they'd be smacked down hard if they violated the rules) and the other is not?

[LaxRef]

Here's the thing that's driving me nuts about the coverage of this thing:

People keep saying stuff like, "Well, the players still have to make the plays!" Yeah, we know that. The point is that it's a whole lot easier to make the play if you know in advance what the defense is going to be doing!

The other thing is that people keep saying, "Well, it's out in the open, and if they had a guy taking notes they could do the same thing!" But it's almost freaking impossible to take notes on this sort of thing, and taking notes is not explicitly prohibited and they were explicitly reminded that taping of signals was illegal before the season started. It's not a gray area, it's just illegal.

[jessexy]

If you are in a public place, and can be seen by the naked eye, you are subject to being video taped.

The NFL sideline is not a public place. The NFL, NFL Security, and each NFL team and home stadium issue credential so that only approved people are on the sidelines before, during, and after games. Season ticket holders and even team staff are only allowed on the sidelines pre-game and post-game, not during the games. even the media that are approved have to report each piece of equipment they are taking with them, down to the voice recorder and cell phone, and especially any video camera.

[jessexy]

Also, anyone else beside me anticipate the "contract extension" for Bill Belichek with the $500,000 signing bouns?????

If that isn't a smack in the face of the commish and his punishment powers.....Goodell has to do something else to show he isn't a punk and the Patriouts aren't above the law.

[LaxRef]

Also, anyone else beside me anticipate the "contract extension" for Bill Belichek with the $500,000 signing bouns?????

If that isn't a smack in the face of the commish and his punishment powers.....Goodell has to do something else to show he isn't a punk and the Patriouts aren't above the law.

They interviewed the commissioner before the game, and he was sure leaving the door open to have increased penalties as the investigation proceeds.

[Jana]

if you ain't cheatin'...you ain't tryin'! Not sure who originally said that, but definitely applies in the NFL. I've noticed that all the coaches now hold their charts over their faces when making calls - probably because they know during film review the next day someone is trying to read lips.