Barry Bonds

[CATLAX MAN]

"Game of Shadows", it's a good read.

Also, God knows, that if something appears in print, then it must be true. Meanwhile the source for the leaked Grand Jury testimony is now rightfully in jail. The authors should also be in jail for conspiring to leak Grand Jury testimony, but they seem to be above the law. Yet, here we are almost 2 years later and not even a whiff of any type of charges against Bonds or anyone else who was supposedly implicated has happened. Fiction or non-fiction? You make the decision.

Actually, a court of law found that OJ is responsible for the deaths of his wife and Mr. Goldman. Unfortunately, it was a civil court and not the criminal court. The problem is that the prosecutors in the criminal trial managed to blow an open & shut case and open the doors to a "reasonable doubt." Blame the right people if you want to blame someone.

If you want to blame someone about drug abuse in baseball, point your finger at MLB owners & management. They knew what has been going on for years, but, for some reason, Barry has become the convenient scapegoat and whipping boy here. Why? Because it deflects attention away from those who should be shouldering the blame.

[Baller1]

The two authors of Game of Shadows had an interesting article in the Chronicle yesterday about Bonds. As a sidenote, I threw out the first pitch on Tuesday at the Giants on Italian Heritage night. Barry was so moved by my slider that he decided to break the record with a shot to center field. Even Catlaxman got to come out on the field for the pregame ceremonies. Awesome day.

[laxfan25]

Actually, a court of law found that OJ is responsible for the deaths of his wife and Mr. Goldman. Unfortunately, it was a civil court and not the criminal court. The problem is that the prosecutors in the criminal trial managed to blow an open & shut case and open the doors to a "reasonable doubt." Blame the right people if you want to blame someone.

While the prosecutors certainly screwed up the criminal case (the glove being the most damaging in myh mind), there is also a big difference in what is required to win a civil case vs. a criminal case.

[Beta]

Also, God knows, that if something appears in print, then it must be true. Meanwhile the source for the leaked Grand Jury testimony is now rightfully in jail. The authors should also be in jail for conspiring to leak Grand Jury testimony, but they seem to be above the law.

Well considering they were put in jail for leaking grand jury testimony then I'd say that um, the things they were saying did hold water towards the truth? If they were to say "the grand jury testimony told us that the earth is flat!" then they wouldn't be in the clink since that's not what was being said.

Guilt, innocence....regardless...Barry's badass-attitude on the whole ordeal has made this country hate him.

Barry Bonds has a responsibility to the children in this country that love sports to do the right thing. If there's intense media scrutiny should he quell it...or be a badass? Well it looked like he was a badass...and guess what. It may not say it on paper....but in America's (non-BayArea) mind...we see this

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[LaxTV_Admin]

Also, God knows, that if something appears in print, then it must be true. Meanwhile the source for the leaked Grand Jury testimony is now rightfully in jail. The authors should also be in jail for conspiring to leak Grand Jury testimony, but they seem to be above the law.

Well considering they were put in jail for leaking grand jury testimony then I'd say that um, the things they were saying did hold water towards the truth? If they were to say "the grand jury testimony told us that the earth is flat!" then they wouldn't be in the clink since that's not what was being said.

No, they are put in jail because it is against the law to leak Grand Jury testimony. It doesn't matter what you leak, it is against the law. Obviously, this is probably one of the reasons. It can easily taint a jury pool.

It is obvious the writers of the book and the one who leaked the grand jury testimony lack the honor that you talked about before. It amazes me that people are quick to say Bonds is a cheater, but give these writers a free pass in the name of journalism. That is bull. They broke the law and deserve to be put in jail (and their unlawfulness is documented in a book written by them, not hearsay).

[CATLAX MAN]

It may not say it on paper....but in America's (non-BayArea) mind...we see this

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The proverbial "they" also said that after Maris hit #61. That didn't make it true, either. It just displays the collective misinformation of those that say this.

Guilt, innocence....regardless...Barry's badass-attitude on the whole ordeal has made this country hate him.

His attitude has largely been brought about by the incessant, haranguing line of questioning brought on by the media fueled hysteria. How would you react to reporters asking the same questions, day after day after day, when you've already addressed the issue many times and have announced that you're not going to answer these questions any more? It borders on persecution. The media is making Bonds the whipping boy for all of baseball's problems in this area. Why? Because it sells newspapers. The same things were said about Mark McGwire when he broke the the HR record, but you didn't see the media treating him in that manner.

The public should take a cue from Henry Aaron and treat it with the same class that he has demonstrated.

"I would like to offer my congratulations to Barry Bonds on becoming baseball's career home run leader," he said. "It is a great accomplishment which required skill, longevity and determination.

"Throughout the past century, the home run has held a special place in baseball and I have been privileged to hold this record for 33 of those years. I move over now and offer my best wishes to Barry and his family on this historic achievement.

"My hope today, as it was on that April evening in 1974, is that the achievement of this record will inspire others to chase their own dreams."

[Beta]

Holy crap, I also heard the price of tea in China is fluctuating.

No one should have a free pass for anything, illegal = jail. That doesn't take away from the fact that Bonds* is/was drillin' the Arnies. Flax seeds and clear cream don't stop arthritis and make you gain 35 lbs of muscle when you're 40+...and the idiot-defense doesn't mean he's innocent either.

McGwire did it, and that's wrong. Sosa obviously was hitting the gear too. Both should be punished. Palmero? You bet. He should be punished too. Reporters did something illegal too? Hmm...let's think about this one..it's pretty tricky....ok I have a solution...punish them too. Holy crap it's not that difficult to understand that if something illegal is done, the consequences should be paid by the perpetrator.

And yeah baseball is wrong for (as it seems) letting all of the that stuff slip by the wayside to let Barroid* hit some more homers. Hmm, should they be punished? YES! Ricky Williams smoked the ganja...and he didn't do jail time...equally as messed up. Lots of bad things happen unpunished...that doesn't mean that ole Barry* is off the hook.

Greg Anderson is Barry's* trainer...and he's going BACK to jail because he doesn't wanna talk to a grand jury about Barry*. Yeah...because pleading the 5th doesn't look incriminating at all. Not answering a question in court, implies guilt. Plain and simple. Yeah you have the option to plead the 5th. But when your wife asks if you've been cheating and you plead the 5th...you tell me where you're sleeping that night.

But oh he's never failed a drug test. I forgot that urine drug tests are pretty damn reliable. I know plenty of people that do illegal things (yes they should be punished too), and they pass drug tests. Ever seen "The Program"?



Only he got caught, then got away with it...then guilt took over. Props for the skull face-paint though.

But no, Greg Anderson is a saint...even though at least 5 other ballplayers admitting to getting gym candy from him. Because most drug dealers typically sell crack and meth on the streets...then turn around and sell bibles to boy scouts too. I must have forgot.

[LaxTV_Admin]

Nice reference to the "The Program." Love that movie.

[Sonny]

The two authors of Game of Shadows had an interesting article in the Chronicle yesterday about Bonds. As a sidenote, I threw out the first pitch on Tuesday at the Giants on Italian Heritage night. Barry was so moved by my slider that he decided to break the record with a shot to center field. Even Catlaxman got to come out on the field for the pregame ceremonies. Awesome day.

Very cool. Did you throw a strike?

Any pics from AT&T Field?

[JW]

Were the situation granting me pitching for the out I would do so. But if strategy said to walk him, I would throw 4 straight pitches at his head

[nhoskins]

Were the situation granting me pitching for the out I would do so. But if strategy said to walk him, I would throw 4 straight pitches at his head

C'mon, his head is HUGE! Throwing for his head isn't a challenge at all...

[cjwilhelmi]

Found this really interesting

The Evolution of Barry Bonds

Look at 2000-2001 pictures. You don't put on 18 pounds of muscle at that age without something helping you out. Also look at the home run production between the two years.

[Beta]

His attitude has largely been brought about by the incessant, haranguing line of questioning brought on by the media fueled hysteria.

That's unfortunate that his reaction skills are very similar to Sammy Sosa. How would I react? I'd pee in a cup everytime I had to go...and send it around to the labs publicly...and after about a month of that mid-season...I guarantee the reporters will cease to look stupid...unless it helps ratings.

The same things were said about Mark McGwire when he broke the the HR record, but you didn't see the media treating him in that manner.

He was busted for andro which was legal in baseball at the time, but not the NFL. He more/less pleaded the 5th to steroid questions and...survey says...looks pretty guilty. The media isn't all over him because 1) he avoids it and it's pretty easy to avoid the media when you're 2) retired from the game and not drillin' roids to smash records. Id give more props to McGwire and Bonds* over Sosa...who roided it up, almost ate a reporter (in a delightful moment) and got busted corking his bat.

Aaron is indeed classy, he has better things to do than bash Bonds* on the air...he's a gentleman that is congratulating the person that broke his record. He's not a urine-tester...he's just a car dealer now .

[CATLAX MAN]

You keep repeating yourself about Bonds & steroids and conveniently omit major facts from your argument. Bonds has routinely & regularly submitted to PED testing since MLB has instituted their program and has yet to fail a test. Most likely, he has been tested more than any other plyer in baseball, but still no test failures. It's OK, the media conveniently forgets this fact also.

Re McGwire: he did not plead the 5th at all. He testified in front of Congress and avoided answering questions about his or other players' alleged drug use. He was not compelled to answer those questions as if it were a court of law. McGwire was not in front of Congress to answer questions like those and was perfectly within his right to not open up that line of discussion. The very same questions you raise about Bonds were raised about McGwire in his record setting year. However, the media treatment of McGwire was very different than their treatment of Bonds. There can be no debate about this.

[StrykerFSU]

I watch baseball everyday and avoided any Bonds coverage like the plague. Bonds treats people like crap and with the media, you reap what you sow. In the end all that really matters is that he has never won a ring and he also provided a great service to fans by being the complete antithesis of great players like Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn. Even A-Rod looks sympathetic next to Bonds.