DUKE players granted additional year of eligibility

[jessexy]

I'm talking like the underage drinking issues

Its been a while, so how do we know there was underage drinking?

Before someone calls me stupid, I know what was going on at the party. I just can't remember any specific evidence that was released that showed specific individuals who were underage were drinking. Did the underclassmen confess to drinking? Or was there alcohol at the same location as underclassmen, and it was insinuated that they all were drinking?

Thanks Stryker for that follow up.

Zamboni, i was making a reference to the mischief that was going on before the actual party and year-long horror show. this wasnt the first incident where the DUke lacrosse team had players in trouble, i was just the most noteworthy. But evidently, there had been significant leniency towards the players that had acted inappropriately, and that was taken as a license (in effect) to continue acting out. There were many interviews from students on campus during the whole ordeal that stated that the Lacrosse players were rowdy and walked around campus as if they owned the place and were untouchable and could do no wrong. thats alot like any college football team, but even football players that are arrested for fighting at a campus party are disciplined some way or the other.

i was wondering if this ever happened to those lacrosse players that werent acting right before this whole thing happened.

[Danny Hogan]

There were many interviews from students on campus during the whole ordeal that stated that the Lacrosse players were rowdy and walked around campus as if they owned the place and were untouchable and could do no wrong. thats alot like any college football team, but even football players that are arrested for fighting at a campus party are disciplined some way or the other.

i was wondering if this ever happened to those lacrosse players that werent acting right before this whole thing happened.

key words "during the whole ordeal" most of those students interviewed were likely kicking them while they were down like the rest of the country.

i didn't see any reported instances of arrests for fighting. the other offenses IMO are par for the course for most any group of 45 college aged men.

[Rob Graff]

Kocis is a Beast, and Dowd is outstanding, as is the long pole.

But the key here is that the 2007 class went from Unreal to Very good.

And added to the Very good will be the remaining classes that all get an extra year. The $ will be worked out...

Has anyone seen a list of who is and is not signing on to the MLL from Duke?

From what I've read, Danowski has pulled his name, but that's rumor.

Rob

[LaxRef]

From what I've read, Danowski has pulled his name, but that's rumor.

Someone else had posted saying merely signing the papers to enter the draft made you ineligible, but maybe the NCAA addressed that when they granted the extra year.

[onpoint]

Well they couldn't have signed the papers before they finished up on Monday anyway, so it's likely that a lot of those guys were waiting to sign until they arrived at the MLL combine.

Without going too far into it, I respect that the NCAA is trying to "make right," but I think it's absolutely a competitive advantage for Duke and unfair to the rest of the country. 8 games is a lot of experience for players to redshirt.

[byualum]

Pat Heim from Penn State is the #1 overall pick, followed by Kip Turner and the other Alex Smith. Rumor on Inside Lacrosse is no Duke players in the draft.

[Zamboni_Driver]

For all those that think the NCAA is telling Duke "you did bad, and we'll clean it up," I have a different interpretation - one that is pretty cynical.

I believe the NCAA told Duke "you did right, and because of that we'll help you out."

They told every institution in the nation that at the mear suggestion of crimial activities or behavioral misconduct on the part of their student-athletes the institution should immediately take disciplinary action without waiting for evidence or the truth.

They told them that they believe 99 out of 100 cases will end with wrong doing on the players part, and thus act with the worst case senario in mind. And in the 1 out of 100 they will be there (well atleast in cases with large media coverage).

They told them it is better to ask for forgiveness, than to have a patience and prudence.

They told everyone the NCAA and athletic departments are bigger than any team or individual player so in such cases sacrifice the latter if it protects the former. They told everyone the ends justify the means.

(Please don't think I'm suggesting the NCAA would support all the specific actions and moves Duke University made line by line - but I think they loved the overall concept of Duke's actions)

[nine]

Pat Heim from Penn State is the #1 overall pick, followed by Kip Turner and the other Alex Smith. Rumor on Inside Lacrosse is no Duke players in the draft.

Haven't seen Penn state play or even heard of Heim, but based solely on numbers and accolades, how does a guy that gets Honorable Mention AA and is only 4th on his team in points ( 18 ) get the 1st overall pick? not to bash the guy, i'm sure he is a very solid player and will do well in MLL, its just hard to believe that there weren't others that Chicago was interested in.

[Dr. Jason Stockton]

Without going too far into it, I respect that the NCAA is trying to "make right," but I think it's absolutely a competitive advantage for Duke and unfair to the rest of the country. 8 games is a lot of experience for players to redshirt.

Sure, it's a competitive advantage now. . .but was it a competitive advantage when they were recruiting kids over the past 14-15 months? You don't think other coaches around the ACC and elsewhere used Dukes alleged transgressions against them every chance they had?

Duke's lacrosse program was hamstrung more than any other in history due to the nightmare in 2006. It's hard to view any of this as a competitive advantage. They were #1 in the country when Nifong and the world came down on them.

The NCAA is just trying to help out a group of student athletes that were wronged more than any in recent history. I am shocked at the ruling, honestly, but I support it entirely.

[NT19]

Pat Heim from Penn State is the #1 overall pick, followed by Kip Turner and the other Alex Smith. Rumor on Inside Lacrosse is no Duke players in the draft.

Haven't seen Penn state play or even heard of Heim, but based solely on numbers and accolades, how does a guy that gets Honorable Mention AA and is only 4th on his team in points ( 18 ) get the 1st overall pick? not to bash the guy, i'm sure he is a very solid player and will do well in MLL, its just hard to believe that there weren't others that Chicago was interested in.

from the looks of his reaction it was a pretty big surprise to him too.

[LaxRef]

Pat Heim from Penn State is the #1 overall pick, followed by Kip Turner and the other Alex Smith. Rumor on Inside Lacrosse is no Duke players in the draft.

Haven't seen Penn state play or even heard of Heim, but based solely on numbers and accolades, how does a guy that gets Honorable Mention AA and is only 4th on his team in points ( 18 ) get the 1st overall pick? not to bash the guy, i'm sure he is a very solid player and will do well in MLL, its just hard to believe that there weren't others that Chicago was interested in.

Maybe he nailed the shuttle run and Wonderlic test at the combine?

[StrykerFSU]

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/page.cfm?pagerid=2&news=fdetail&storyid=167336

Duke lacrosse: Three seniors move on, no final decisions from others (IL)

June 25, 2007
Mike Keegan

Though most of the 2007 senior Duke lacrosse players do not have final plans for their fifth year of NCAA eligibility yet, Peter Lamade and Mike Ward have requested their release from Duke University to potentially transfer to ACC rivals Virginia and Maryland, respectively, and Casey Carroll has enlisted in the United States Army

It appears that Duke is not the only school to benefit from the 5th year competitive advantage. My hat is off to Casey Carrol. There is no greater honor in this country than serving in the United States military.

On a side note, the further I get in the Pressler book (and I can only read about a chapter at a time before getting so angry that I have to put it down) the more I can't believe that any of those kids came back to play this year. If I was one of those players, Duke would have been dead to me.

[Danny Hogan]

how can you transfer from Duke to Maryland or UVA?

[Troy Hood]

Dan:

The players in question have completed their undergraduate degrees. They have the one year of eligibility remaining. They can complete that year in graduate school at another NCAA institution.

Joe Yevoli did his undergrad at UVa but his grad work at SU, Dan Kallagher <sp> went from Yale to Loyola for grad school, there are several other examples of this as well. Maryland had a goalie a couple of years ago that did his undergrad at Gettysburg and did grad school in College Park.

[Danny Hogan]

thanks Dad, but i was trying more to wrap my mind around transferring to an in-conference rival.

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