HS Federation Rules Question

[Danny Hogan]

Player A1 on team A scores a goal.

Teams line up for faceoff, referee notices Player A1 has no mouthpiece.

Player A1 flagged, goal taken off the board.

Correct?

My interpretation;

Player A1 is flagged, goal counts because there is no way to know if he had a mouth piece in or not when he scored (multiple players ended up in a heaq on the ground after the goal). Mouthpiece infraction was noticed during dead ball following goal.

Please cite federation rule book reference if anyone has time.

[laxfan25]

Incorrect. The only violation (at least stick/equipment) that would take a goal of the board is an illegal stick (depth, dimensions) or touching the head after a stick check request. This only applies to the shooter, not one of his teammates, and only before the next faceoff. Illegal gloves, etc. are penalized, but do NOT take a goal off the board. So no mouthpiece, or mouthpiece dangling, unless it was called before the goal, would not eliminate the goal.
In your example, if the kid is coming to the faceoff in the dead ball period, I think the proper call is to just send him off to get one. While it is likely he was playing without one before, I don't think you can make that a certainty and penalize him for it if we are now in a dead-ball situation.
I'm sure LaxRef will have his thoughts on this, but for sure, the goal is allowed in your case study.

[Danny Hogan]

thanks please check your PM

[laxfan25]

These are the rulebook references I was able to come up with. This is from the '05 NFHS book, which I have a PDF of. My current one is at home, but the rules haven't changed.

First of all under Goal Not Counted - this is not listed as one of the items, and it is not referenced under Illegal Stick and Illegal Equipment sections of Rule 5. However there are a couple of situations under the Case Studies that are on point.

Rule 5 Personal and Ejection Fouls
ILLEGAL CROSSE...
5.4 SITUATION D: During the game, an official asks a player for his crosse so the official can check it. Before the player hands the crosse to the official, he adjusts the strings. RULING: A one-minute nonreleasable penalty must be served. If the player with the adjusted crosse scored a goal just before the crosse inspection ("stick check"), the goal is disallowed.
5.4 SITUATION E: A1 scores. Before the next whistle, it is discovered A1 was playing with an illegal crosse. RULING: Goal does not count. A1 serves a one- or three-minute nonreleasable penalty.
5.4 SITUATION F: A3 scores goal by kicking ball into goal. Before the next whistle, the opposing head coach requests an equipment inspection on A3. RULING: If the crosse is found to be illegal, the goal will not count, and the player will serve a one- or three-minute nonreleasable penalty.

There is no citation in the Rules or Case Studies for removing a goal for other illegal equipment, so without that specific citation, the proper call is to penalize the equipment violation but let the goal stand.

Also, the NCAA book has a specific A.R. on illegal equipment and goal scored. The prevailing opinion is if the Fed book does not mention something and the NCAA book does, defer to the NCAA book as backup.

A.R. 13. A1 scores a goal. Before the faceoff, it is noticed that A1 is not wearing a piece of required equipment (e.g., shoulder pads and/or arm pads). RULING: Goal counts, A1 is assessed a one-minute nonreleasable personal foul.

This should serve to address your situation.

[Danny Hogan]

my hs team had a goal pulled off the board last night because of a missing mouthpiece on a dead ball following the goal. asked the refs to find it in the rule book at halftime, they couldn't.

game actually went to OT fortunatley we won.

[LaxRef]

my hs team had a goal pulled off the board last night because of a missing mouthpiece on a dead ball following the goal. asked the refs to find it in the rule book at halftime, they couldn't.

game actually went to OT fortunatley we won.

Your first mistake was waiting until halftime; use rule 7-13 to call for a double horn and get it correct right away while it is correctable.

The officials should not be put in the position of having to find the rule in the rulebook for you. Even with my knowledge of the rules, I don't know where everything is, just what the rules say.

However, you could have shown them the "goal not counted" section and demonstrated that "no mouthguard" is not in there.

FYI, the NFHS rules are not as clear on all of these issues as the NCAA is, but LF25 is right about the call.

[Danny Hogan]

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[laxfan25]

However, you could have shown them the "goal not counted" section and demonstrated that "no mouthguard" is not in there.

I got home and had a copy of the '07 NFHS rulebook and checked out the Goal Not Counted section vs. the '05 book. My, my my, but someone has spent a LARGE amount of time cleaning up that mess and adding ALL of the reasons for not counting a goal under one section, What a nice job, and I wonder who that could have been?? Hmmmm...

Danny, an illegal stick is there, but NOT illegal equipment. Drink up!

[Danny Hogan]

thanks for your research laxfan! and laxref's 07' rulebook addition???

[LaxRef]

thanks for your research laxfan! and laxref's 07' rulebook addition???

'06, but you're welcome!