A Division All Conference

[Jolly Roger]

If you wanna know how they play in big games then you can look at the Utah and Cal Poly games we played, the goal tending and defense were the reason that we won those game

Maybe you should start a campaign for next year to include video highlights so everyone can see every moment of every game and make the perfectly informed decision.

[Champ]

I think the lack of quality shots argument is shaky. Other considerations such as did the goalie come through in big games should be considered. Meaning did the goalie dominate games enough to win where they would otherwise lose. From the sounds of it the UMD goalies never had to come through in big UMLL games this year b.c of the lop-sided scores

So, if my offense is really good and scores tons of goals in every game, I can't be an all-conference goalie because the games are never close enough for my goaltending to be the difference? That doesn't make any sense.

(Like you, I'm not talking about any particular team or player; I'm just saying that your criteria are flawed.)

Why not? If you are the other team (getting beat) submitting all conference nominations, and you got 10 shots in the game you aren't going to nominate the goalie. That player just wouldn't stick out in your mind. You would remember the D that took the ball from your attack every other time, or the other teams attackman who danced around everyone. You don't even think about the goalie.

[Pinball]

i know that age plays a small factor in deciding on players. There are too many deserving players and not enough spots for them.

[Gopherlax29]

absolute travesty that UMD doesn't have 2 first team goalies as a tie as well as Kess at 1st team. He was a god damn all american last year and could have been on this year I'd imagine. also SCSU's attackmen should be 1st team on points alone, adn carrying that team along with Grannes. Also, I think it is too hard ot get it right but it should have been all UMD plus Onken, Kessler, Grannes and SCSU's guys (I can't think of his name). As well as Clausen at FOGO...

[oakland]

How does Iowa States goalie get all conference??? Iowa State didn't see any kind of opponent that would be considered a quality team this year( excluding the bulldogs) which was not a good showing by any means. Lets be serious ISU saw dirty shooters for 1 game. I demand a recount!, feel good votes should be reserved for the WNBA

Ok IW, yes I'm from Iowa State and of course I'm going to defend my goalie. Do you watch any of the games? Is your arguement even valid? Keep in mind that the selections are made by the TEAMS of the UMLL. Even if our goalie did see other "dirty shooters" against a team in another conference, how would the UMLL teams know how he performed? Moreover, when the teams choose their selections for the All-Conference team, they consider league play. That means all goalie's have faced the same offenses and any "dirty shooters."

Lastly, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you asked to stop posting on our discussion the last time you posted when you tried to say that nobody had a chance besides UMD in our conference tournament? Please concur with previous request.

[Riss]

absolute travesty that UMD doesn't have 2 first team goalies as a tie as well as Kess at 1st team. He was a god damn all american last year and could have been on this year I'd imagine. also SCSU's attackmen should be 1st team on points alone, adn carrying that team along with Grannes. Also, I think it is too hard ot get it right but it should have been all UMD plus Onken, Kessler, Grannes and SCSU's guys (I can't think of his name). As well as Clausen at FOGO...

Al Kestler first of all is a fantastic defensmen, Id played with him for 3 years. However, he was injured a lot this season which meant he missed games and had limited ability in the games he was able to play in. I think second team is a fair recognition.

The UMD goalies are both excellent players. One must remember how selections are made though. Correct me if im wrong but teams nominate 3 opposing players for all conference after each game, if goalies dont stand out cause of good D then they dont get the nod. Also I imagine there's got to be a little "sharing the love mentality" and not having an entire UMD - UofM first team, although it came close.

Congradulations to all, it looks nice to on the resume. Also is there going to be a post about getting Academic AA? thats always a nice acalade as well.

[Gooseguy10]

Lax Ref. I see your point. But lack of opportunity to be a game saving player by UMD's goalies is a better argument than a lack of quality shots. Also is an attackmen still good even though his team loses by big margins often, meaning he doesn't get as many opportunities to showcase his talent b.c the ball is in the defensive zone often? He still may be a good attackmen! Same principle as goalies that are on dominating teams.

I am sure that the UMD goalies played outstanding in the out of conference games this year. However, I don't think too many voters from the UMLL saw those games.

The bottom line is that there is always going to be disagreement over who is picked and who is not. It has been that way since the mid-1990's. I also agree that there is a substantial drive to "share the wealth" in terms of awards, so UMD and the U is not solely represented. That also has been the case for over ten years now.

[Frank Clark]

It is my personal opinion that the best players should be the ones recognized. There should be no sharing of the wealth or feel good votes. The best player/team is the best.

[Jay Zabel]

I agree with Frank. This isn't a 3rd grade teeball league that we need to make everybody happy and "share the love".

I did see the games this weekend and #7 for the U and their FOGO should be the only other players besides UMD on the AA lists.

It baffles me how teams can not get their AA lists in on time. Nice leadership.

[umlax32]

It is my personal opinion that the best players should be the ones recognized. There should be no sharing of the wealth or feel good votes. The best player/team is the best.

Of course the UMD Alumni are going to think that the ENTIRE team should be made up of UMD players. There was no complaining from the UMN side last year when they were the best team in the league and still did not dominate the list.

All I am saying is that this discussion comes up every year. Of course, there are going to be people left out that probably should be in and vice versa. I do not feel that the league is "sharing the wealth" but rather giving recognition to great players regardless of their respective team's record. Take a look at the Pro Bowl or even the All-Star rosters for baseball. Yes the rosters are filled with people from the better teams, but they also recognize players from teams that are struggling as well. The argument you guys are making would equate to the Pro Bowl roster being completely made up of the Steelers and Seahawks....doesn't make sense does it?

I know that I am comparing professional sports to the UMLL but just trying to make a point that the UMLL is not giving out "freebees." Each one of the players on the list obviously had a good season and should be congratulated instead of their place on the list being questioned.[/quote]

[Frank Clark]

UMLAX32, watch what you are saying! All I said was the best players should be nominated. This isnt a patty cake league, feelings are not of concern. The best are the best period. I did not make a statment as to whom the best are.

I also think stats should only be part of the factor. Consider the competition when looking at that stuff. It is apples to oranges.

[Adam Gamradt]

absolute travesty that UMD doesn't have 2 first team goalies as a tie as well as Kess at 1st team. He was a god damn all american last year and could have been on this year I'd imagine. also SCSU's attackmen should be 1st team on points alone, adn carrying that team along with Grannes. Also, I think it is too hard ot get it right but it should have been all UMD plus Onken, Kessler, Grannes and SCSU's guys (I can't think of his name). As well as Clausen at FOGO...

I'd like to mention that Mr. Ericksen, despite his Gopher nickname, does not represent Minnesota. In no way do his opinions refelct our team's position on the AC selections.

I'm dissapointed at the amount of second guessing, and baseless critcism being directed at the league administration for the AC choices. Some of your points are relevant, but it's too late to matter.

It's especially strange to read complaints from people who have not seen a single game. If you haven't even seen these guys play, you're just an uninformed whiner.

It's great to have passion for the game we all love, but this is not the best way to show it, it cheapens the honor for those who have already been chosen. If you don't like the selections, log off the message board, get involved, and volunteer some of your time to help your favorite program, and you'll have an impact on who is chosen.

Congatulations to all the All Conference Selections, and to UMD for their impressive season. Good luck to the Bulldogs in the national tournament, where Coach Graff, Clark, Horn, Litman and their team will represent the UMLL well.

[Gooseguy10]

Adam. You took a shot at me regarding not seeing any games this year and still having an opinion on the matter. If you go back and look at my postings, I have yet to comment on any specific players or why people were chosen. I recall simply saying that lack of quality shots is a weak excuse. I stated that almost every year, AC teams are not always the "best lax players" b.c there is a feeling that it shouldn't be just UMD and the U represented. People can say what they want but Frank and Jay are correct in terms of the best players should be represented. That is not to take anything away from the people were AC this year.

[Champ]

It's especially strange to read complaints from people who have not seen a single game. If you haven't even seen these guys play, you're just an uninformed whiner.

The only person (I think) who posted in here and hasn't seen a game is Gooseguy10 (and IW but he doesn't count), but he isn't talking about single players - he is talking about how the selections are made and how some people can get left out.

I commented only on games I have seen, and Zabel has done the same.

disregard this post if you were talking about someone else.

[Champ]

Adam. You took a shot at me regarding not seeing any games this year and still having an opinion on the matter. If you go back and look at my postings, I have yet to comment on any specific players or why people were chosen. I recall simply saying that lack of quality shots is a weak excuse. I stated that almost every year, AC teams are not always the "best lax players" b.c there is a feeling that it shouldn't be just UMD and the U represented. People can say what they want but Frank and Jay are correct in terms of the best players should be represented. That is not to take anything away from the people were AC this year.

ahh beat me to it.