Need some clarification

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The other day one of our players got slashed on a drive to the cage. The flag was thrown and he continued driving. He then got checked and the ball came out of his stick towards the goal. It bounced once and went in, without anybody else touching it. The goal was not counted because the ref said that the player has to actually shoot the ball into the cage, but under the new rules I thought after a flag down play was continued until the defense gained possession after a flag was down. Can someone clarify this for me?

Another incident. There was a scrum in front of our goalie. About 5 or 6 players all fighting for a ground ball on the crease. The goalie had the ball clamped outside the crease and was trying to rake it in. After the goalie brought it into the crease one of their players somehow got his stick in there and poked the ball into the cage. The goal counted. When I asked the ref about calling goalie interference on the play, he said the opposing player had been illegally pushed and therefore the goal should be counted. I feel like a push or a goalie interference call should have been made and not a goal with no call. Can someone also clarify these rules for me.

[Sonny]

Please rephrase your question, noting the officiating forum guidelines:
http://forums.uslia.com/viewtopic.php?t=2558

[laxfan25]

Clarifications:
I'm assuming in your first question you are playing under NCAA rules. If so, play does continue on a FDSW with the ball in the attack box. However, if the referee inadvertantly blows the whistle (say when the ball hit the ground) the play is dead at that point, and any goal would not be counted. In High school, under Federation rules, the ball can hit the ground on a shot and a goal would be counted. A loose ball that trickles in wouldn't count.

On crease play, if the goalie has any part of his body in the crease, his body can't be checked. If he has possession, his stick can't be checked, even if the stick is outside the crease.
If the ball is loose outside the crease, the portion of the goalie's stick that is outside the cylinder can be checked, and clamping the ball is not possession. Once the goalie rakes the ball into the crease, the attack can play the ball at their peril. If they initiate contact with the goalie's stick while trying to play the ball, it is a play-on technical foul. If the attackman is trying to play the ball in the crease and the goalie checks his stick, that is not considered interference, but the attackman better back off then.
In your instance, if the player was pushed first, it would be a play-on. If that pushed player then interfered with the goalie, that technical foul would have cancelled the play-on with immediate whistle, and no goal would be counted. The ball would be awarded to the attack outside the box (assuming A was the one pushed).
Any questions?

[Lax_Stats]

Clarifications:
I'm assuming in your first question you are playing under NCAA rules. If so, play does continue on a FDSW with the ball in the attack box. However, if the referee inadvertantly blows the whistle (say when the ball hit the ground) the play is dead at that point, and any goal would not be counted. In High school, under Federation rules, the ball can hit the ground on a shot and a goal would be counted. A loose ball that trickles in wouldn't count.

On crease play, if the goalie has any part of his body in the crease, his body can't be checked. If he has possession, his stick can't be checked, even if the stick is outside the crease.
If the ball is loose outside the crease, the portion of the goalie's stick that is outside the cylinder can be checked, and clamping the ball is not possession. Once the goalie rakes the ball into the crease, the attack can play the ball at their peril. If they initiate contact with the goalie's stick while trying to play the ball, it is a play-on technical foul. If the attackman is trying to play the ball in the crease and the goalie checks his stick, that is not considered interference, but the attackman better back off then.
In your instance, if the player was pushed first, it would be a play-on. If that pushed player then interfered with the goalie, that technical foul would have cancelled the play-on with immediate whistle, and no goal would be counted. The ball would be awarded to the attack outside the box (assuming A was the one pushed).
Any questions?

Are you trying to tell me you cant take a bounce shot in high school ball as the play FDSW would be stopped immediately as soon as the bounce shot bounced??? That would be way too weird. Can you copy and paste that section of the high school rule book for me??

Also, I will have to check my NCAA rule book, but I believe the goalie can in fact initiate the contact to gain the violation. As well all know if a player is standing in front of the crease with his stick in the air and not moving it, and there is contact with the goalies crosse on the outlet pass, we have a play on for interference with the goalie.

[LaxRef]

Clarifications:
In High school, under Federation rules, the ball can hit the ground on a shot and a goal would be counted. A loose ball that trickles in wouldn't count.

Are you trying to tell me you cant take a bounce shot in high school ball as the play FDSW would be stopped immediately as soon as the bounce shot bounced??? That would be way too weird. Can you copy and paste that section of the high school rule book for me??

Methinks you didn't read carefully. When he says "A loose ball that trickles in wouldn't count," he's talking about the original case where the ball goes in without being shot.[/code]

[Lax_Stats]

Yeah, I mis-read a little. I think I did that based on earlier postings where there was some talk about there being an immediate whistle when the ball hit the ground on a bounce shot.

[laxfan25]

Also, I will have to check my NCAA rule book, but I believe the goalie can in fact initiate the contact to gain the violation.

I'll save you the trouble. Here are the pertinent AR's on goalkeeper privileges. It's certainly something that the lead official wants to be on top of! GK contact with an attackman's stick inside the crease is not always interference, is the bottom line.
A.R. 84. The crease rule was not intended to give the goalkeeper an advantage by initiating contact with an offensive player’s crosse to get an interference call. It was intended to give the goalkeeper added protection while in the act of making a save or gaining possession of a loose ball in the crease. In such a case, if there is contact between offensive crosse and goalkeeper crosse, then interference has been committed.
A.R. 85. There is a loose ball in the crease. A1 covers the ball to rake it back. Goalkeeper checks A1’s crosse. RULING: No interference.
A.R. 86. There is a loose ball in the crease. A1 bats the ball with his crosse, the ball enters goal and then contact is made with goalkeeper’s crosse. RULING: Legal goal—no interference. Contact occurs after play has ended.
A.R. 87. There is a loose ball in the crease. A1 bats the ball with his crosse, but the ball is still loose in the crease. Contact is made with goalkeeper’s crosse. RULING:Interference, play-on.

(And Yes, I do allow bounce shots on a FDSW in high school. )

[Lax_Stats]

Also, I will have to check my NCAA rule book, but I believe the goalie can in fact initiate the contact to gain the violation.

I'll save you the trouble. Here are the pertinent AR's on goalkeeper privileges. It's certainly something that the lead official wants to be on top of! GK contact with an attackman's stick inside the crease is not always interference, is the bottom line.
A.R. 84. The crease rule was not intended to give the goalkeeper an advantage by initiating contact with an offensive player’s crosse to get an interference call. It was intended to give the goalkeeper added protection while in the act of making a save or gaining possession of a loose ball in the crease. In such a case, if there is contact between offensive crosse and goalkeeper crosse, then interference has been committed.
A.R. 85. There is a loose ball in the crease. A1 covers the ball to rake it back. Goalkeeper checks A1’s crosse. RULING: No interference.
A.R. 86. There is a loose ball in the crease. A1 bats the ball with his crosse, the ball enters goal and then contact is made with goalkeeper’s crosse. RULING: Legal goal—no interference. Contact occurs after play has ended.
A.R. 87. There is a loose ball in the crease. A1 bats the ball with his crosse, but the ball is still loose in the crease. Contact is made with goalkeeper’s crosse. RULING:Interference, play-on.

Thanks for looking that up for me.