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Postby CATLAX MAN on Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:23 pm

There is one thing that you may not have considered. Perhaps the error was not intentional, but rather a case of poor data entry? An honest mistake vs. a dishonest mistake.
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Postby WaterBoy on Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:42 pm

I can understand the instance of poor data entry- which is probably the case when goals don't equal your total score- probably just a misreading, missed key stroke- something along those line.

When something like that however, is coupled with "accidentally" adding five assists onto your stats, when the stats are written in roman numerals, which (since I saw the stat book) were written clear as day- I start to wonder what kind of data entry system they're using- the only way I can figure on 6 points being added to a team on "accident" is if the person can't read the numbers on the keypad.

Or maybe they thought this was box lacrosse and you could have two assists...
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Postby Andy Sharp on Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:46 pm

I did not look into which game Waterboy speaks of and am not suggesting serious action be taken, only that this should serve as a reminder that others are looking closely at what you are inputing.

It would also make sense if the official stat book was taken by the other team and the inputer simply did a pole on the bus ride home.

We'll never got perfect stats, but something is better than nothing.
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Postby Kojima on Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:21 pm

as it is, i don't think you can give too much credit to the assist category. as mentioned, every team seems to tally an assist differently mainly because i don't think teams know what the actual interpretation is. i know at zaga they use to count every thing as an assist, while when i was playing at sfu, we only counted an assist if it lead to a quick-stick goal...

... maybe they thought this was box lacrosse and you could have two assists...


not that bad of an idea actually. give one assist, no matter when it came. as in boxla or hockey (tho they give two). at least that way it's consistent. that, or make it clear what an actual assist is. again, i think that's where a problem lies.

along those lines, don't ref's keep track of the goal scorers and assist men? notifying the score-table of the assist-man, and double-checking the score sheet after a game should be part of their responsibilities, if they're not already. (tracking saves or gbs is another story.) somehow tho, the mdia should be penalizing teams who don't in-put this official data. it'd be nice if we could keep consistent, accurate data

that said, in the end i don't think it really matters, cause people know who the impact players are.
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Postby Gregg Pathiakis on Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:51 pm

Kojima wrote:along those lines, don't ref's keep track of the goal scorers and assist men? notifying the score-table of the assist-man, and double-checking the score sheet after a game should be part of their responsibilities, if they're not already. (tracking saves or gbs is another story.)


Not sure what the rulebook actually says, but my experience is that the officials don't actually keep track of either the goalscorer or the assister. Usually they will tell the table who scored the goal (at the very least if the table asks them) but they don't give you the person who got the assist. And they don't keep a running tally for either of them.
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Postby bste_lax on Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:56 pm

Gregg Pathiakis wrote:
Kojima wrote:along those lines, don't ref's keep track of the goal scorers and assist men? notifying the score-table of the assist-man, and double-checking the score sheet after a game should be part of their responsibilities, if they're not already. (tracking saves or gbs is another story.)


Not sure what the rulebook actually says, but my experience is that the officials don't actually keep track of either the goalscorer or the assister. Usually they will tell the table who scored the goal (at the very least if the table asks them) but they don't give you the person who got the assist. And they don't keep a running tally for either of them.


I do believe the refs usually mark down who scored each goal on their little card. I remember a lot of refs writing down the number of who scored.
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Postby Sonny on Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:09 pm

The referees keep track of the goal scorer only (NOT assists) on their score cards.
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Postby onetime on Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:49 pm

Not sure who to send this to. The scores from the Lindenwood weekend are a mess. Mostly they are the correct scores but to the wrong teams.
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Re: Scores

Postby Sonny on Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:01 pm

onetime wrote:Not sure who to send this to. The scores from the Lindenwood weekend are a mess. Mostly they are the correct scores but to the wrong teams.


As noted in the first post in this thread....

Note that these scores are drawn directly from USLMDIA.org (the MDIA admin web site). Therefore, please do not contact me (or USLIA.com) to report scores or request info on how to update USLIA.com with your team's scores.

It is up to each individual team to report their scores & stats in a prompt fashion on USLMDIA.org. (That published information will flow downstream to USLIA.com immediately.) If you have problems accessing the USLMDIA.org site, you will need to contact your appropriate MDIA conference representative (not USLIA.com).


The schedule/score problems from the LU weekend need to be corrected on USLMDIA.org. USLIA.com will correct it within 24 hours.
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Postby onetime on Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:11 pm

Well, my concern is that they ARE correct on the MDIA site and completely confused and transposed on the USLIA site



MDIA site
1392 Fri 24-Feb Minnesota 7 Oakland 9


USLIA site

2/25 Minnesota 15 Oakland 10

different dates, different scores......obviously not taken directly from MDIA site.
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Re: Scores

Postby CyLaxKeeper00 on Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:15 pm

Sonny wrote:The schedule/score problems from the LU weekend need to be corrected on USLMDIA.org. USLIA.com will correct it within 24 hours.


still within that 24 hr window onetime.
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Postby onetime on Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:10 pm

Sorry....misread......
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Postby onetime on Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:18 pm

...and still not corrected.
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Postby mholtz on Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:31 pm

working on this problem. It has to do with mdia.org changing teams instead of games... i.e. it was supposed to be X against Y and it changed to A against B.

There shouldn't be too many like this.
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CCLA Stats on site still not in synch with USLMDIA site

Postby Coachjoe00 on Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:37 pm

Coach Holtz - a question for you concerning CCLA scoring statistics listed on USLMDIA vs. USLIA.com

After weeks of watching and waiting for the player scoring stats to synch up between the two sites, the stats for the Oakland University players, and one from U of M that we checked, are still not correct.

For some reason it appears as if a game per player is not coming across.

Constantine (UofM) has 12-27-10-37 site says 12-26-9-35

Opron (OU) has 10-33-26-59 this site says 10-30-21-51
Reynolds (OU) has 10-34-4-38 this site says 10-27-4-31
Brahms (OU) has 10-16-22-38 this site says 10-14-20-34
Savage (OU) has 6-14-8-22 this site says 6-13-6-19

Others we spot checked seemed to be in line (MSU, IN, WVA, CMU. etc.)

Each of these players would be higher in the stats ranking if the data was correct.

How do we get these players stats cleaned up so that they can represent the CCLA - in the overall USLMDIA scoring race - when coaches and pollsters outside the CCLA refer to this data base?

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