Flag Down Quiz (2006 NCAA Rules)

[LaxRef]

2006 NCAA Rules:

2006 NCAA Rules:

(1) A1 has the ball near midfield, and B1 slashes him, causing him to drop the ball. A1 catches the ball on the bounce and fires a shot from midfield, which goes into the goal. Ruling?

(2) A1 has the ball near midfield, and B1 slashes him, causing him to drop the ball. A1 tries to scoop up the loose ball, and B2 pushes A1 from behind and scoops up the ball himself. Ruling?

(3) A1 has the ball in the attack area, and B1 slashes him, causing him to drop the ball. A1 catches the ball on the bounce and fires a shot from inside the attack area, which goes into the goal. Ruling?

(4) A1 has the ball in the attack area, and B1 slashes him, but A1 maintains possession. He then passes to A2, who is in the attack area. A2 drops the ball, and as A2 tries to scoop up the loose ball, B2 pushes A2 from behind. Then A2 scoops up the ball and scores a goal. Ruling?

(5) A1 has the ball in the attack area, and B1 slashes him, but A1 maintains possession. He then passes to A2, who is in the attack area. A2 drops the ball, and as A2 tries to scoop up the loose ball, B2 pushes A2 from behind. Then B2 scoops up the ball. Ruling?

[There are a few key points here which aren't entirely clear from the rules, but I have a ruling from "on high."]

[beckner11]

I'm not a ref but I'll still take a shot at these:

1) Goal is good and B1 is in the box for 1 minute......either that or its whistled dead immediately since in wasn't in the offensive zone yet. Not sure what the new rule says about that.

2) B1 is in the box for 1:30.....1 min. for the slash and :30 for the technical, push (under the new rule)

3) Goal is good and B1 is in the box for 1 minute

4) Goal is good, B1 is in the box for 1:00 and B2's technical push is whiped out by the goal?

5) B1 in box for 1:00 and B2 in box for :30 seconds

So how'd I do???

[laxfan25]

Mr. Beckner, in #2 the penalties are committed by B1 and B2.

1. Goal disallowed. B1 serves 1 minute for slashing
2. B1 serves 1 minute for slashing, B2 serves 30 seconds for pushing
3. Goal Allowed. B1 serves 1 minute for slashing
4. Goal Allowed. B1 serves 1 minute for slashing, B2's penalty wiped out with goal
5. Whistle after B2 picks up ball, B1 serves 1 minute for slashing, B2 serves 30 seconds for pushing

The new "delayed kill" is only in effect in the attack area. In situations 1 and 2, A was not in the attack area, so once he loses possession the slow-whistle is done and penalties are assessed. In 2, since it was a technical during the slow-whistle, the push becomes time-serving.
In 3 -5 possession is lost in the attack area, so the whistle is properly withheld until the ball leaves the attack area, a whistle is blown or possession changes.

[ACE]

1. Goal disallowed. B1 serves 1 minute for slashing
2. B1 serves 1 minute for slashing, B2 serves 30 seconds for pushing
3. Goal Allowed. B1 serves 1 minute for slashing
4. Goal Allowed. B1 serves 1 minute for slashing, B2's penalty wiped out with goal
5. Whistle after B2 picks up ball, B1 serves 1 minute for slashing, B2 serves 30 seconds for pushing

I agree with 1 and 3-5. I disagree with 2, if I understand the rule correctly. If the ball is outside the attack area when the slash occurs then the ball is dropped, then the whistle should be immediate and the push is after the play so no penalty added on for the push.

I have one question, whats the reasoning for not having the slow whistle for the entire field, rather just in the attack area?

[laxfan25]

ACE is correct on #2, once A1 drops the ball outside the box, the whistle should blow to kill the play, so the push afterward is immaterial.
I don't know the philosophy behind just the attack box, but once this new mechnic gets put into play this year, perhaps it will change next year. It's all up to the coaches on the rules committee, not the refs! We just enforce what they give us (or in some cases try to make sense of what they've given us. There is no one better at finding those trouble spots than our esteemed friend - LaxRef).

[LaxRef]

I have one question, whats the reasoning for not having the slow whistle for the entire field, rather just in the attack area?

I don't know. It seems to me that the whole point of the new rule is that if you hadn't gotten fouled you would have been able to continue attacking even after dropping the ball and then picking it back up, so you should be able to if you are fouled. I don't know why you only get that opportunity in the attack area now.

The only thing I can think is that, since all loose-ball technicals become time serving in this situation, it becomes too much of an advantage for the offense if they're getting a 1:00 man-up for the slash and then another 30 seconds for a loose-ball push 90 yards from the goal.

[Sonny]

The only thing I can think is that, since all loose-ball technicals become time serving in this situation, it becomes too much of an advantage for the offense if they're getting a 1:00 man-up for the slash and then another 30 seconds for a loose-ball push 90 yards from the goal.

You can say that again. That will be a huge advantage for the offense. Really hurts the defense.

[JW]

2006 NCAA Rules:

2006 NCAA Rules:

(1) A1 has the ball near midfield, and B1 slashes him, causing him to drop the ball. A1 catches the ball on the bounce and fires a shot from midfield, which goes into the goal. Ruling?

(2) A1 has the ball near midfield, and B1 slashes him, causing him to drop the ball. A1 tries to scoop up the loose ball, and B2 pushes A1 from behind and scoops up the ball himself. Ruling?

(3) A1 has the ball in the attack area, and B1 slashes him, causing him to drop the ball. A1 catches the ball on the bounce and fires a shot from inside the attack area, which goes into the goal. Ruling?

(4) A1 has the ball in the attack area, and B1 slashes him, but A1 maintains possession. He then passes to A2, who is in the attack area. A2 drops the ball, and as A2 tries to scoop up the loose ball, B2 pushes A2 from behind. Then A2 scoops up the ball and scores a goal. Ruling?

(5) A1 has the ball in the attack area, and B1 slashes him, but A1 maintains possession. He then passes to A2, who is in the attack area. A2 drops the ball, and as A2 tries to scoop up the loose ball, B2 pushes A2 from behind. Then B2 scoops up the ball. Ruling?

[There are a few key points here which aren't entirely clear from the rules, but I have a ruling from "on high."]

1. I believe it is a goal, the defense must now gain possession of the ball for the play on to be over.

2. Play on from the slash is over due to the push from behind and posession by B1 should initiate a whistle.

3. Answer is the same as number 1.

4. Goal, because A2 maintained posession play on remains in effect until B2 gets the ball. The push in the back only comes into play if B2 gains posession, which will also result in a subsequent man-down due to the slash.

5. Loose Ball push from behind, B2 goes to the box for the slash.

I believe these are the answers, but i have seen it not called this way. [/b]

[LaxRef]

2006 NCAA Rules:

(1) A1 has the ball near midfield, and B1 slashes him, causing him to drop the ball. A1 catches the ball on the bounce and fires a shot from midfield, which goes into the goal. Ruling?

1. I believe it is a goal, the defense must now gain possession of the ball for the play on to be over.

The wording isn't great, but I've discussed this with TPTB, and this only goes into effect once the ball makes it into the attack area. Since the ball s dropped at midfield, there's a flag and an immediate whistle. No goal.

(2) A1 has the ball near midfield, and B1 slashes him, causing him to drop the ball. A1 tries to scoop up the loose ball, and B2 pushes A1 from behind and scoops up the ball himself. Ruling?

2. Play on from the slash is over due to the push from behind and posession by B1 should initiate a whistle.

A slash is a personal foul, so there cannot be a play on. There would be a flag down, except A1 dropped the ball (outside the attack area), so there's an immediate whistle. The push from behind occurs during a dead ball; ignore it unless flagrant.

BTW, a second technical foul does not kill a play-on if the same team commits both technicals. However, if the offended team commits a technical or either team commits a personal foul while the ball is still loose, the play on ends.

(3) A1 has the ball in the attack area, and B1 slashes him, causing him to drop the ball. A1 catches the ball on the bounce and fires a shot from inside the attack area, which goes into the goal. Ruling?

3. Answer is the same as number 1.

Now the new rule kicks in and the whistle is not blown when the ball hits the ground. The goal is good.

(4) A1 has the ball in the attack area, and B1 slashes him, but A1 maintains possession. He then passes to A2, who is in the attack area. A2 drops the ball, and as A2 tries to scoop up the loose ball, B2 pushes A2 from behind. Then A2 scoops up the ball and scores a goal. Ruling?

4. Goal, because A2 maintained posession play on remains in effect until B2 gets the ball. The push in the back only comes into play if B2 gains posession, which will also result in a subsequent man-down due to the slash.

Flag down for the slash. No whistle on the loose ball because of the new flag-down rule since we're in the attack area. A second flag is thrown for the loose-ball push under the new rules (otherwise, team B would commit every technical in the book to try to gain possession and kill the flag-down). The goal is good. B1 serves 1:00 for the slash. B2 does not serve since the goal wipes out the technical.

There is no play-on possible here since we're in the attack area and a flag is down.

(5) A1 has the ball in the attack area, and B1 slashes him, but A1 maintains possession. He then passes to A2, who is in the attack area. A2 drops the ball, and as A2 tries to scoop up the loose ball, B2 pushes A2 from behind. Then B2 scoops up the ball. Ruling?

5. Loose Ball push from behind, B2 goes to the box for the slash.

Here, we have B1 going off for 1:00 and B2 serving 30 seconds for the loose-ball push.

This new rule is tricky, so I thought a quiz might help highlight some of the tricky spots.

[shrekjr]

JW,

Please print this thread just in case I happen to referee your first game this season. That way, we can both make sure it is done right when it happens!

Actually, no assignments have been made yet so I have no idea what games I'm working this season. But I'm sure I'll get you guys at least once or twice.